Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy board
 

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises pre-flop, with 5-6 callers.

Flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
MP bets, 3 callers, Hero raises, all 4 players call.

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Line Check. I decide to check behind on button fearing a check-raise, since one of my 4 opponents HAS to have 2 diamonds, right? Hoping to fill up on river cheaply.


River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Check, check, check, check. Value bet or check behind?

Comments on turn and river appreciated.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy boar
 

I bet the turn every time here, I want all draws to pay to see the river. Even if someone does have two diamonds you have lottsa outs for the full house.

I bet/call the river every time here too. A made flush would have led out having missed the turn check/raise, I think a better hand would have led out too with the turn checking round.

GcluelessnoobG

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy boar
 

bet turn and bet river.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy boar
 

bet, bet.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy board
 

grunch

the turn check sucks. Bet until someone raises.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy board
 

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I decide to check behind on button fearing a check-raise, since one of my 4 opponents HAS to have 2 diamonds, right?

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Apparently, you'd be surprised. It's something to consider if you get raised though of course. Any opponent with a lone diamond now must pay to see the river. Bet that turn.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy boar
 

Bet turn and bet/call river. Even against a made flush, you have a huge redraw, and you don't want A or K of diamonds to draw for free.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy boar
 

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Bet turn and bet/call river. Even against a made flush, you have a huge redraw, and you don't want A or K of diamonds to draw for free.

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I was debating the degree of sarcasm I was going to put into this response. Since we're arguing different points, I've decided on this:

Our hand is vulnerable to a lot more cards than just the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. So protect it. Bet the turn.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy board
 

Bet the turn.

Bet the river.

Collect.

Re: Set - value bet or check behind against 4 opponents and drawy board
 

If the turn makes a flush or str8, you'd hear about it on that street. No reason to fear the C/R as you bave a bunch of outs (10) for a boat on the river.

You were last to act on the river. No one with a flush (or either unlikely str8) would let this check through without betting. Bet for value.

bc