Wow what happened on the turn
 

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I have a nut low draw, ace high flush, and top trips ... and I get check raised. Weird hand. What do you think?

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I have a nut low draw, ace high flush, and top trips ... and I get check raised. Weird hand. What do you think?

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I thought things like that only happened at low limits. Reminds me of a similar hand with me betting with A-high flush. On the the river a pair occured so I checked. Villain goes all in, after a long consideration I decide to call. No boat -he had bet with Q-high flush and I won the pot.

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Until I saw the HH I thought you were talking about an unpaired board. OK, so you have a bunch of stuff, but it's not that hard for opponent to have a better high, and with one card to come your nut low draw is not worth as much as it was on the flop.
Personally I suspect the str8 flush. But who knows. Opponent might also be trying to use the board pairing as a scare card.

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Don't play limits that high, but it looks like a bluff to me. Only hands that make sense to play like that IMO are AL98, AL97, AL88 and AL79. I'd shove also.


What did he do, flop the straight and then bluff his stack off on the turn?

Edit: Interesting result.

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My first thought on this was maybe A[2-4]99, but that's not a possible holding. A[2-4]97 may do this play as well. I'd think this was a FH tho. I just don't see how anybody check-raise here without it.

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I'm pretty new to Omaha, but this is what I find so interesting about it. As I read the hand, I put him on a full house, with maybe 7-7-A-2.

But at a full table, you get to see all kinds of hands that you think don't come up very often. And as it turns out if an ace comes on the river he'd really have been smiling

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So, results were, he held

10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4-2. He flopped the second nut straight and checked called. He turned the straight flush, and check/raise pushed against my pot sized bet. The river saved me with a low.

So, does anyone play this differently? There were three other players on the turn. I was 3rd to act, with a flush that could improve to a full house with my top trips, and the nut low draw as back up.

Is the turn pot bet correct? I think so.

Is calling/pushing when he check-raises correct? I'm not positive, but I think so.

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An option would be to check behind on the turn, hope the low comes and you can him to think that you either have no high or that you are scared of the board pair. I think once the board pairs/flushes on the turn, you are either ahead so much that you can give out a card to let him catch up, or you are way behind a made FH.

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If you were last to act then you can check behind sometimes in order to induce a bluff on the end, but I think this is only correct if the other players will never pay off with a worse hand on the turn but will frequently try to steal it on the river.

But you're not last to act, and you are going to have to call when the guy behind you pots it, so go ahead and bet it yourself.

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Is calling/pushing when he check-raises correct? I'm not positive, but I think so.

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If you're opponent is at all capable of trying to take this pot down without what he's representing, then I think this is a push, no question.

IMO stacks have to be deeper to fold this to anyone other than the rock of ages.

You see LAGs with some kind of flopped straight, turned trips or flush too often, and the occasional complete air.

As I said in my original reply I don't play stakes that high, usually $50-$100 buyin tables, but I think that most of the players that do play at that level will agree.