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Sir Winalot 01-21-2007 05:30 AM

Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.

For all hands, assume:
50NL, 6 players
100bb stacks
No reads


Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

meleader2 01-21-2007 05:35 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.

For all hands, assume:
50NL, 6 players
100bb stacks
No reads


Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

reraise pot


Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

limp/fold to bb raise


Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

fold


Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

call, check flop if weak bet raise, fold to r/r unless u see two nines. jk.


Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

fold


Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

raise pot, fold to r/r, if checked to on flop 2/3 pot

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

i like a liimp with no read, AA could be UTG.


Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

fold

whoomp 01-21-2007 05:56 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

I'd raise to $10, CO and button's range is pretty wide here.

Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Standard raise to $2, but it can get tricky post flop, I'd hope to take it down with a CB.

Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

I'd probably 50% raise here to $6, because we have a pretty solid hand, and 50% call because we're OOP for the rest of the hand.

Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call and see the flop hopefully with a 9, or at least no AKQJ.

Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

I'd fold.

Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise to $2, MP seems weak and I have position.

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

I don't know here, I'd sometimes fold, call or raise with calling being the worst, since I don't indicate any strength and that makes it harder to take with a CB on the flop.

Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Sometimes call, sometimes fold. Fold more than call.

bsheck 01-21-2007 06:14 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Pot size reraise sounds good.

Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Complete.

Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call.

Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call.

Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise to $2.

Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise to $2.50, try to buy the button and get position on this hand.

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call, try not to get involved in a big pot postflop if you hit your ace. Against tougher players, you might let this go, but here I think seeing a flop is okay.

Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call here, try to outplay MP after the flop.

Jigsaws 01-21-2007 06:17 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero raises to $9.

Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero calls.

Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Depends on CO. 80% fold, 20% raise to $7.

Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero calls.

Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Depends on MP/CO/BTN. Raise 50%, fold 50%

Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero raises to $2.50.

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero raises to $3. Fold when your image is bad, etc.

Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Hero calls.

pineapple888 01-21-2007 07:03 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
[ QUOTE ]
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.

For all hands, assume:
50NL, 6 players
100bb stacks
No reads


Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Repot.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Call so you can bust his a$$.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Fold, you have bupkis OOP. Consider a resteal vs. a lagtard/aggro 2+2er.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Call so you can bust his a$$.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Folds on most tables, sometimes raises, sometimes minraises, sometimes calls, hope this helps.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Read-dependent, default is raise to 1.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Read-dependent, default is fold b/c your hand sux.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Turbo-muck.

Sweir 01-21-2007 07:25 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
Good thread.

[ QUOTE ]
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.

For all hands, assume:
50NL, 6 players
100bb stacks
No reads


Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise ~9

Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call

Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Pretty read dependant really. Without reads ill probably tend towards folding this. If I found CO trying to steal my blind regularly then ill play back.

Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call

Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise to $2

Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Raise to $2.5

Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Call without reads, if UTG and CO have a high VPIP and are folding to raises a lot then ill make it $3.

Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font>

Fold.



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Esmerelda 01-21-2007 07:34 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
I raise to 7.5 most times but sometimes just flat call.

II call, i don't like fd oop but since it is to the ace I will limp. I will raise this now and again but usually because I think CO is weak.

III Without reads I call most of the time. I raise to 5.5 once in a while and fold sometimes but those decisions are based on reads. I am not a big fan of AJ these days and even when suited I am dubious oop and HU but it seems worth a call.

IV Call (I used to raise this more often but I notice the people have become a bit more positionally aware in their pf play)

V I will fold, limp (gasp!) and raise to 2 in roughly equal measure.

VI Raise to 2.5

VII Raise to 3 or fold in about equal measure depending on my table image atm and looseness of blinds. If I just sat down with a whole table of unknowns I let this one go unless I feel extra frisky.


VIII call about 2/3 and raise to 5.5 about 1/3.

01-21-2007 07:44 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
1. reraise to 7$
2. call (not sure about this. maybe a leak)
3. reraise to 7$ (read dependent. sometimes fold)
4. call
5. fold - bet about 70/30 %
6. raise to 2.5$
7. raise to 2.5$ (
8. call

01-21-2007 07:59 AM

Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
 
pineapple888, don`t you think that min. raising 66 there gives to much info away ? People could put you on a small pp everytime you only min raise there.

Regarding 67s your completely right. I said call earlier, but with BB still behind to call and being out out position against 2 players your right. Turbo-Muck


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