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Utg is 45/16/2 over 150 hands. Btn is a total unknown.

Hero has been tightish so far w/ a couple of failed cb's.

Game #4180512634: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2007/01/15 - 16:24:17 (DST)
Table "DenHelder" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Alice (£229.84 in chips)
Seat 2: PokaHunta (£227.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Paultr65 (£216.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Donhaka (£222.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Premier77 (£227.18 in chips)
Seat 6: hford (£233 in chips)
Premier77: posts small blind £1
hford: posts big blind £2

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Paultr65 [T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Alice: calls £2
PokaHunta: folds
Paultr65: raises to £10
Donhaka: calls £10
Premier77: folds
hford: folds
Alice: calls £8

----- FLOP ----- [4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Alice: checks
Paultr65: checks
Donhaka: checks

----- TURN ----- [4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]][T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Alice: checks
Paultr65: bets £23
Donhaka: raises to £70
Alice: folds

Hero?

Comments on flop as well as turn please.

Paul

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PF I dont like doing this from CO with 1 limper.

Flop fine. Turn bet is obviously fine.

Now what the hell do you put this guy on?? JT? Flopped set? There isnt much you can beat on that board, so I think fold.

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I think this is a fold. It is more confusing because it really looks like you don't have much of anything most of the time, but I wouldn't give an unknown at 1/2 the abilitity to see that or the balls to bluff like this (even with a flush draw). I you had position on the raiser, I think you could call because he would have to act first on the river, but here, I think I just let it go.

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I dont like preflop, because (1) you dont have the button and (2) I want to know that UTG isnt a callingstation postflop (because it could seem like it). (if the button is tight and UTG is somewhat weaktight postflop (or folds a lot preflop to raises) then prf is fine of course).

On the river I need some kind of history before I dare call this.

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Uh, don't play £1/£2 because the rake is ridic? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Pf/flop standard. Ok when he raises here if you call your basically hoping he has KQss/AQss or something like that? I think this is 89/JT/maybe a set much more often than a hand you are ahead of especially since this is a 3way pot.

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PF I dont like doing this from CO with 1 limper.


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I dont like preflop, because (1) you dont have the button and (2) I want to know that UTG isnt a callingstation postflop (because it could seem like it). (if the button is tight and UTG is somewhat weaktight postflop (or folds a lot preflop to raises) then prf is fine of course).

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Isolating a loose(likely bad) limper in position w/ a tight image that should often buy me the btn = $$$.

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but I wouldn't give an unknown at 1/2 the abilitity to see that or the balls to bluff like this (even with a flush draw).

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It is £1/2 which is more like $2/4. Villains at this level will def. raise here some of the time w/ a flush draw. I don't think it's air that often though w/ teh other guy in the hand + my line here from many players is as much if not more indicative of strength rather than weakness on this board.

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There isnt much you can beat on that board, so I think fold.

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I you had position on the raiser, I think you could call because he would have to act first on the river, but here, I think I just let it go.


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Ok when he raises here if you call your basically hoping he has KQss/AQss or something like that? I think this is 89/JT/maybe a set much more often than a hand you are ahead of especially since this is a 3way pot.

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All this sums up pretty well why I did indeed fold. I still felt really uncomfortable doing so. I mean if I'm folding everything but say a set+ here how easy is that to abuse(esp. as I vry rarely have one).

Paul