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comic2b 01-11-2007 03:30 AM

Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Poker Stars
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, hero calls, SB calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, hero calls, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.5BB

franknagaijr 01-11-2007 09:36 AM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Could have raised the turn, since there wasn't a low and you still had a powerful redraw.

It's not clear at all if BB has anything real on the river since the hand was played so passively.

bbartlog 01-11-2007 11:31 AM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Fold flop. Low is out, your pot equity is too small to be paying to chase for diamonds.
Turn is marginal. If you know SB will call, I guess your big flush/wrap draw gives you enough outs to the high to pay for another card.
River... interesting decision. I fold here; not only are there eleven cards that have to be totally absent from my opponents' hands in order for me to have the high, but if either one has a pair in hand I also don't have the high. Still, your call would be correct if we assume both opponents have A2xx; then they only have four unknown cards that could match the board, and the chance of us being good for high rises to about one in three.

bbartlog 01-11-2007 11:36 AM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Could have raised the turn, since there wasn't a low and you still had a powerful redraw.

Low is out already on the flop. Betting (or rather raising) turn looks like a mistake, since SB might fold and I'd rather have them put in some more money. Anyway I think even with the huge high draw you're still below 33% pot equity, so even if we knew the SB would call I don't think this is a good spot to be pumping the pot.

Habib Marwan 01-11-2007 01:54 PM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
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River... interesting decision. I fold here; not only are there eleven cards that have to be totally absent from my opponents' hands in order for me to have the high, but if either one has a pair in hand I also don't have the high. Still, your call would be correct if we assume both opponents have A2xx; then they only have four unknown cards that could match the board, and the chance of us being good for high rises to about one in three.

[/ QUOTE ]

this logic will get you killed in limit 08 games

bbartlog 01-11-2007 03:06 PM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Which part of the logic? Estimating the chance of being good for high based purely on the chance of X cards being in Y spots? I would tend to agree, after all you have a villain who has bet every street - his cards are not some random pile. But I'm still not clear - do you agree that this is a fold, or are you arguing for a call?

Habib Marwan 01-11-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
i wouldn't even consider folding in this spot

bbartlog 01-11-2007 04:35 PM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
Never mind, I've been up too long. I'm completely braindead.

wackjob 01-12-2007 04:33 AM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 
when you make the nut straight on the turn &amp; are freerolling the nut [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw, that would be a good time to raise. you couldn't talk me into folding w/o a huge amount of river action.

Tuco 01-12-2007 04:47 AM

Re: Not sure if I played correct on flop, turn, or river
 

Fold flop.

Tuco.


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