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lengthy 12-27-2006 08:16 PM

\"reading minds\" in poker
 
this is a hand that I played that leads me to believe in being able to "read" someones mind.
It was about an hour and a half into the session and I had about 160 in front of me. There were a lot of PF limpers, and I look down and KK,so I raised to 17 dollars (in a 1-2 nl game at the casino) and ended up being called only by the SB and BB. Flop comes 6h 7h 2c. I looked at the two players to my left and the SB checked as did the BB. It was crazy when I looked at the flop and then looked back at the two players I put them on exactly what they had. I thought that the SB was probably on a weak flush draw and I felt like the big blind hit a set or maybe top two, but I was leaning towards the set. I did not want to follow up and bet into the players when I had that felling, cause if I get put all in I'd muck my hand. So I followed suit and checked. I was looking for a one outer. And it came, the Ks landed on fourth street. Was a nice catch for me. SB checked again and BB lead out with a big bet.I think it was something like fifty dollars. I raised all in right there because I wanted to shut out the flush draw and I knew that the BB would call. To my surprise, the SB went all in as did the BB I had them both covered by a whopping four dollars. The small blind flipped over Jh2h, and BB flipped over his set of sixes. I was amazed that I called there hands exactly without any real information on them. And all I had to avoid was some hearts and I would have trippled up. And then the dealer delivered the river card. Damn, a heart. Probably the sickest hand of my life.
I've done things like that before when plaing card put someone on exactly what they have. I was playing omaha with my friend and whenever I would get that feeling of what he had I would call it out, and I'm always really close if not exactly. I'd call out "queens and sevens, and also a poket pair of kings?" amd then hed flip it over. I think this is something that happens t a lot of poker players. Like doyle said in super system, that's it hard to believe that the human brain being as complex as it is, isn't able to pick up tiny electric signals. I mean, when we turn the blender on the TV gets out of wack, why can't a game of such intense concentration send little brain waves out a few feet across the table? I've seen doyle do it, I've seen chip reese make plays that almost seem as he knew exactly what his opponent had, phil iveys done it in hands, so who's to say its impossibile?

what's your thoughts on it.

lengthy

NL Rounder 12-27-2006 10:24 PM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
My thought is that you should acquire some fundamental writing composition skills.

Upon successful comprehension and application of stated skills to your posts, someone might actually attempt to read it and potentially respond.

For the record, I did not attempt to read that bloated mess above...I have no desire for a self-inflicted headache.

Gonso 12-28-2006 12:42 AM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
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this is a hand that I played that leads me to believe in being able to "read" someones mind

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My thoughts are that goofy beliefs like this are expensive.

Like most people here I have a tremendous respect for Doyle, but that's one of the two things he wrote in SS that I disagree with. The other being his thoughts on "being on a rush."

alphatmw 12-28-2006 12:44 AM

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i read it. but don't advise anyone else to.

cliff notes: every now and then i guess people's hands, thus i think psychic powers might exist.

Mikey 12-28-2006 01:13 AM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
i read it and i know exactly what you mean. Sometimes its weird you just get that feeling because something so subtle in their body changes or something so subtle leads toward you knowing what they have. Now I'll be honest if you generally get these feelings and are often wrong and as a result play weakk-tight then you're fooling yourself. But I know exactly what you mean and I've gotten these feelings too. Two examples of this for me is folding AcQc preflop in a 10-20 game because I knew my opponnent had me beat preflop and another was folding AK after an open raise in 10-20 limit because I knew I was beat and he had KK preflop. Its a strange game and those electric signals you are talking about..... its true. For those of you who don't believe it, watch this clip and then try to justify this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfLXr3eSxs

Gonso 12-28-2006 01:20 AM

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Phil Ivey making a great read doesn't qualify as supernatural. I mean, he's Phil Ivey...

GiantBuddha 12-28-2006 01:24 AM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
I had a nightmare in August of 2001 that New York was being bombed by planes. In the dream I went to a Mets game (for some bizarre reason) and then planes started attacking there, too. When my friend called me on the morning of September 11th to tell me about the two planes, I was like, "yeah, okay" because I'd already been through it. And the Mets were supposed to play in Pittsburgh that day. The whole thing was still pretty surreal, the city eerily quiet, smelling like cooking meat, but I digress...

I can't count the number of river cards I've called to a suit, nor the number of times I've put my opponent a very precise hand even without substantial betting history to indicate such...

But I also can't count the number of times I've called the wrong river card, put someone on the wrong hand (although this is a real skill which is one of my poker strengths), or had a dream about zombies or alien invasions.

Needless to say, I haven't found myself fighting off martians yet.

5thStreetHog 12-28-2006 01:31 AM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
I agree with Gonso about the Ivey hand,although i do believe having intuition or a six sense sorta speak is a reality in humans and other intelligent animals.It varies and can not be measured but it exists.

Gonso 12-28-2006 01:46 AM

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Oh, I'm not saying intuition doesn't exist, not at all. That's a different concept than flat-out telepathy.

GiantBuddha 12-28-2006 01:46 AM

Re: \"reading minds\" in poker
 
My personal belief is that your brain just subconsciously processes information which your higher (or lower?) brain functions are unaware of. It's like when someone walks in the door and you know something's wrong even though they haven't said or done anything yet. There's better examples, but the point is that intuition or a "feeling you can't explain" doesn't have to be supernatural (or science fiction). It just means that your brain is smarter than you are. Or that you're smarter than you think you are. However you want to look at it.


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