bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

3 handed 200nl i know pr0crast is a 2+2 guy i saw a post of his in the gen topic about how he was making bontbother0 his bitch or something so im thinking he likes to push guys around and has an ego
i have stats on him.. 25/20/3 or something over 100 hands or so which was mostly 5-6 handed so im assuming hes going to be even laggier here
no idea what my stats where from his perspective but im like 19/16/4 usually, basic tagish stats but reasonably aggressive
i assume the sb limp is a weak ace, maybe low pair, suited connecter and other random crap like K9 or whatever other crap hes limping here, hes limped the sb a few times

basically i think hes raising a set/2pair/baby flush on flop here, i think most solid regs are always raising a set or 2p or straight on flop so i dont really think those hands are in his range
so when he raises allin im think he has either flopped flush (im assuming higher flush becaus baby flush generally raises flop i assume) or some kind of draw like 33 with a heart or A5/A2 or A6 or 43 or whatever and possiblity of weirdass onepair or whatever bluff
the J is a compelte brick obviously so im thinkiing this push was what he planned to do on the flop, my 2barel range is huge here this move could be profitable for him with a lot of hands
thing is the bet is a huge overbet so i have to be right here a lot of the time, if he has flush im pretty dead if he has a draw im not ahead by a whole lot either
i assume hes capable of makeing a bluff like this because of his stats and the fact that hes 2+2 so probably kinda aggresive
this is all the info i had on procrast at the time, and most of it is assumption

so what do you think?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">SB (pr0crast)/ ($236.40)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($371.05)</font>
Button ($387.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (pr0crast)/ completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB (pr0crast)/ calls $6.

Flop: ($16) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
pr0crast checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, pr0crast calls $12.

Turn: ($40) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
pr0crast checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $34</font>, <font color="#CC3333">pr0crast raises to $216.4</font>, Hero calls $182.40.

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

I'm thinking fold.

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

don't show results, instacall &lt;3

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

removed results, took me about 5 seconds to call so quite instant [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

I can understand talking yourself into putting him on a combodraw or something here and calling. Snapcalling with bottom two here sounds pretty bad though. Huge overbets like these at this level ,by a solid regular, is usually someone with a monster hoping a donkey will pay them off.

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

mel, stackplz is a regular in that game, so he's a non-none donkey. I haven't really played with procrast/don't have any real reads on him, but from all accounts it seems like he's a very very aggresive player who will put you to the test. A c/r AI in with Ahx is semi-standard(there are other good lines to, but that one works well). Same also goes with 3hx, specially if the x is a pair. You get the picture. Your saying this is a huge overbet, and while its a little of one, there is no other amount to c/r here ya know ? A c/r to like 90 leaves 70 behind, which is just kinda ewwww. So yay, like I said, instacall and hope he's got the combo draw. If not, you obviously had outs like here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Fwiw, I hate his preflop play, just don't get it.

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

ez call given reads, its a really good place for his line because you can't really have anything.

oh, and fold preflop against him, he seems the type to defend with trash to "outplay you postflop"

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

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ez call given reads, its a really good place for his line because you can't really have anything.

oh, and fold preflop against him, he seems the type to defend with trash to "outplay you postflop"

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You mean check BB preflop right?

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

OP was bajillion-tabling, but at this table i was running more like 45/25 so I can see how he may have taken me for an over-aggro lag... Your assumptions about my sb limp are also okay, but if I were you I would be wondering, what hand would a 2p2er be sb limping and then calling a raise with?

With my stats I would usually be raising a PP, so it's reasonable to think that I don't have a set here.

I'm also less likely to be playing a suited connector OOP vs. a raise heads up, and with my stats if I was going to play it, I'd be open raising it in almost all cases.

With an ace in my hand, I'd also be raising this HU with my stats, not limping the sb.

So what does this leave? Nothing, really. If I were you, I'd have a LOT of trouble putting me on a hand here. I would think that the situation would warrant at least 10-20 seconds of thought, rather than your snap call.

I have no answer for you as to what thought process you should have had, or whether or not your call is correct, but I do think it was more complicated of a situation than you made it out to be.

I am definitely interested in what other people will have to say about the hand, because I have been in your shoes in similar hands before as well, and I have to say that I didn't really know what to do.

gl at the tables (ps- moving to FTP for now, enjoy my leave of absence [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

Re: bottom 2pair 3handed 200nl
 

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So what does this leave? Nothing, really. If I were you, I'd have a LOT of trouble putting me on a hand here. I would think that the situation would warrant at least 10-20 seconds of thought, rather than your snap call.

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The fact that no hand really makes sense makes it much more likely that you were bluffing/semibluffing and makes it an easier, not harder, call, IMHO.