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Jeff76 12-18-2006 11:30 PM

1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
Is the call on 4th too lose? How should I play 5th? And once I got my flush, re-raise or go for the overcalls?

Or more to the point- did I play this hand correct on any street?

7 Card Stud High ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.60 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.80 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (6.80 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (9.80 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

Total pot: (11.80 BB)

cgrohman 12-19-2006 10:19 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
Fold 3rd, Fold 4th, Fold 7th.

Jeff76 12-19-2006 10:32 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Fold 7th.

[/ QUOTE ]???

Brad1970 12-19-2006 10:48 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
I don't mind peeling one off on 3rd since there is only 1 diamond gone. I would toss in the towel on 4th when I bricked, but since you didn't, I would bet the open 5's on 5th & represent a hand. You have a flush on 6th, why are you just calling???

Jeff76 12-19-2006 11:05 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You have a flush on 6th, why are you just calling???

[/ QUOTE ]Going for the overcall.

(Note- I don't usually play as passivly as my last couple of posts might indicated. I post hands I think I played badly, not the good ones).

Jeff76 12-19-2006 11:08 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would toss in the towel on 4th when I bricked

[/ QUOTE ]Wasn't a total brick- I now have a 3 straight and a 3 flush, both of which are pretty live. Not arguing that is enough- just asking if it is, really.

Wahoo73 12-19-2006 11:34 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
Based on the answers you've already received, I guess I'm the dissenting opinion on this one.

3rd street: Given that this is a 1/2 game at PS, and given your position after a limp-in and a raise (which means the hand will be played at least three-handed), I think your call with your three diamonds is just fine. You even get a bonus when the BI also calls the raise making it a four-way.

4th street: Since it is a four-way hand and you are getting 5 to 1 on your money, I agree with you that calling one bet is OK here because of the combination of having a three-flush and three card straight.

5th street: Good bet.

6th street: Automatic raise.

7th street: If after you raised 6th street, seat #7 still bets the river you should just call. If seat #7 checks the river, you either bet or check, depending on what your gut tells you. (Although 9 times out of 10, I suspect your gut is going to tell you to bet.)

Brad1970 12-19-2006 11:38 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would toss in the towel on 4th when I bricked

[/ QUOTE ]Wasn't a total brick- I now have a 3 straight and a 3 flush, both of which are pretty live. Not arguing that is enough- just asking if it is, really.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's probably Ok Jeff for a 1/2 game. I was just stating what I would do in a higher game. I can probably be a little conservative sometimes too. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

cgrohman 12-19-2006 11:39 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
Nevermind. I misread the action and didn't see that you made your flush on 6th. Why didn't you raise 6th?

bassLine 12-19-2006 11:40 AM

Re: 1/2 Too Loose? Too passive?
 
IŽd be inclined to fold 3rd due to the low ante structure. Although it seems the table was not on the tight side, and the call is justified.

4th is fold imo. The pot is rather small to justify call.

Not sure about the bet on 5th. If he has aces he is probably going to raise you to get it heads up and to shut down the bring in.


Now it seems though, as he had completed with a pair lower than Qs or a 3 flush.
On 6th I would raise because the Bring in is drawing to beat the strenght you represented on the previous street.


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