folding overpair?
 

Villain is fairly tight, doesn't c bet much and if he's bluffed me b4 I don't know about it. I haven't shown any bluffs either although I've c betted quite a bit. Sharkscope shows he's got a small -ROI over 2 k hands.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t40/t80
2 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: t900
BB: t2100

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t120)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t160, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t80</font>, BB calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t240)</font>.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t320, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t240</font>, BB calls t240 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t560)</font>.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t800, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets t800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ...?

Re: folding overpair?
 

Your getting 2.3:1 to call and I think you beat a fair amount of his range, also the 7 looks like a good card to bluff so I am going to call but not expect to win everytime.

Re: folding overpair?
 

Fold against a passive player...you've just been rivered by a A7/K7 diamonds type-hand

Re: folding overpair?
 

Call, that seven makes his jack look better. Also, he could easily have missed a flush draw... we would certainly know where we were at if we raised preflop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: folding overpair?
 

put it all in the middle. Dude, you've got 1/2 your stack in there by the river. It would be a more complex question if you had more chips behind on the end, but u dont.

Re: folding overpair?
 

The part that makes it difficult to answer is the fact that you limped. Limping is cool once in a while, but it puts you in a tough spot with a tricky board. When I decide to limp AA or KK I have it in my mind that I am capable of folding if I believe that I am beat. Nothing makes me more mad than limping KK and then going broke when my opp. nails two pair on a J,6,7 flop. You don't have many chips left which makes this hand tougher to call. Personally, I call and then yell at myself if I lose here.

Re: folding overpair?
 

Yeh limping with KK/AA is something I only rarely do and I did it here cos he was folding to almost every pre-flop raise i was making and i wanted to try get some action.
I wish I had listened to that ESP part of my brain that was telling me he had a 7 here. I very nearly folded but just couldn't. He had it.

Re: folding overpair?
 

You have to call. The betting from the onset was where you made your errors. Limp preflop did not define your hand. The post flop bet should have been pot size on a coordinated board. Turn bet was okay, but I would have pushed at this point. No choice but to call. Limping pre-flop with a big hand is, in most cases, terrible. You are letting your opponent in with any hand, which you cannot put him on. He could flop 2 pair with Q5o, and how would you play AA?

If you limp with monsters, and the board looks dangerous, you need to be able to get away from it.

Re: folding overpair?
 

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You have to call. The betting from the onset was where you made your errors. Limp preflop did not define your hand. The post flop bet should have been pot size on a coordinated board. Turn bet was okay, but I would have pushed at this point. No choice but to call. Limping pre-flop with a big hand is, in most cases, terrible. You are letting your opponent in with any hand, which you cannot put him on. He could flop 2 pair with Q5o, and how would you play AA?

If you limp with monsters, and the board looks dangerous, you need to be able to get away from it.

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I disagree that limping preflop is bad but I think you must POT the flop once you do so you can push the turn as BDub recommends.

Re: folding overpair?
 

Cwar do you diagree that limping big hands in most cases is a bad play? Could you give a motivation of why you don't think so?

Thanks!