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FletchJr. 12-16-2006 07:54 PM

Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
here's a hand from a fairly deep session.

The opponent, wasnt' very aggressive but he wasn't passive either. He was playing very well.

What are your thoughts on the Turn action, and how would you play the hand out?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $277.15
BB: $331.55

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($6, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($18, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $18</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $50</font>, Hero's Action???

cwar 12-16-2006 08:37 PM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
Wow that is a tough spot, Im going to think about it and get back.

cwar 12-16-2006 09:38 PM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
OK this is the way I see it. Villains most likely hand range is QT,A8,A9, or a club draw (or some combonation club draw). Sets and AJ seem unlikely b/c those would have been reraise preflop and also it is not a flop that is favorable for slow playing. When your ahead its not by that much as villain will likely have greater than 10 outs and when your behind your crushed. Almost 300BB deep I believe this is a must fold.

FletchJr. 12-16-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
That was basically my exact same line of thinking.

now, what do you think about the bet??

IMO, this deep it is standard.

cwar 12-17-2006 12:06 AM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
Agreed, you really have to bet. IMO time to switch tables villain seems pretty good given your description and this hand.

Erdricks Sword 12-18-2006 01:24 PM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
I do not play hu cash games, but I believe I should start. It seems like a completely different dynamic than the usual sit go format. I would probably make the tough fold even though I was in position. There is just too many hands out there that beat you. From what you said, he wasn't very aggressive up to this point, so the $50 cr would scare me. Basically, the only hands you beat are A7 and down. Or a premium AK or AQ. I think he rr w/ both of these though. Did you end up folding?

NotFadeAway 12-19-2006 12:33 PM

Re: Are we foldiing two pair here??
 
I agree with everyone here. You're almost certainly either against aces up, a straight, or a good draw.


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