So uh, how bad is the variance supposed to be at 2-7?
 

I started off with a 120BB upswing, now in a 150BB downswing (pat 9s never holding up on river, whiffing smooth 7s multi-way against pat 10s firing all the way, losing #2 to #1 often, etc.) I have a pretty decent grasp of the game after propping and playing it 3-handed and HU often, I don't feel like I'm especially playing badly. Deathdonkey, TT, 246, answers?

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I'm setting a new low for personal downswings today. Currently 99bb.

Unlike holdem, variance in TD can change dramatically with your playing style, so I don't think there's an easy answer.

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I'm setting a new low for personal downswings today. Currently 99bb.

Unlike holdem, variance in TD can change dramatically with your playing style, so I don't think there's an easy answer.

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My biggest single session downswing was around 90 bets. The game can be really brutal, thats why I am playing more Stud 8 and Razz now rather than TD, but I expect to be playing live TD 2-7 weekly within the next few months once I move to Vegas. Even with the variance, its still my favorite games - and oddly it becomes more beatable as the limits increase, which I would never say the same for any other game I play.

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variance in this game is quite high. 50bb swings in either direction within the same session are quite common place. don't be suprised if you consistently lose smooth draws to a gambler drawing 4. so much is dependent on catching good obviously.

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My biggest single session downswing was around 90 bets.

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At least I had a break in the middle. Cutting mine off at 98 now, as the biggest fish left and an old friend I'm not anxious to play against sat down.

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Tough to say, I think 150 bb isn't trivial with the softness of these games. You might try and have someone watch you play or talk to any 2+2ers who you have been playing against regularly. Heck, make a video!

-DeathDonkey

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I think 150 bb isn't trivial with the softness of these games.

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It's pretty easy to get into a game with huge multiway pots and no folding equity, which is what happened to me this morning. Then I went two hours without winning a legitimate showdown, and dropped 80 bb.

It's much easier to be consistent against semi-clued players who I can outplay for pots. Switch to thin value betting and the variance goes through the roof.

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Bottom line: variance is disgusting bad in this game. Ive lost 100 BB in a day like 10 times this year. Won that many bets quite a few times too. Despite making like 2.5 bb/ per hour at 30-60 each day was a sick roller coaster. My win rate at 80-160 is defintly lower and the swings are worse with the increase in crazy gambooolers. Ive decided if I continue to try to make a living off this game for more than a few years im going to go crazy. Theres a lot to be said for handling this variance better than your opponents, i see it as a huge place to find an edge.

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It's much easier to be consistent against semi-clued players who I can outplay for pots. Switch to thin value betting and the variance goes through the roof.

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Its so odd, but this is why I have said in the past if you can beat the low limit games move up... because the middle limit games are actually better, you don't have to work as hard beating the semi-clued players. This is also why the upper limit players should always play a few 1/2 type games on the side to keep their minds fresh.

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TT, gl with live 2-7 unless you get here during 5 diamond, or really feel like you have a large edge in the regular bel game.