Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

Villain is 48/23/1.4 42 over 368

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $8/$16
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: 5.25BB

He had (in white) <font color="white">K9o</font>

A short time later

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $8/$16
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets intending to fold</font>

Re: Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

If this guy is really laggy then I am a bit surprised that he didn't bet the turn in hand #1. He clearly likes to show down a lot though, so your bet in hand #2 is pretty good IMO as he will likely pay you off with a 5 and 8 or a small PP. Also, I think a heart draw or an Ace is pretty unlikely given that he didn't 3-bet PF or raise anywhere else.

Off topic - I think that against some players the way villain played hand #1 is not terrible. Probably not so good against you though.

Re: Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

c/c river in hand 1.. unless you know he checks behind a lot a swell

hand 2 I check behind 2hearts/a/q/j+higher kicker all have us beat, we dont have a strong hand to valuebet here

Re: Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

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hand 2 I check behind 2hearts/a/q/j+higher kicker all have us beat, we dont have a strong hand to valuebet here

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I disagree. We don't need a strong value bet, all we need is a value bet. Villian has already shown down trash once, he is in the big blind and will call any 8, any 5, and a lot of little pairs. With hero raising preflop and betting on a river ace, I don't think he'll get bluff raised off a better hand often since I think most people will be expecting hero to call a river raise. I think its a thin value bet, but with the previous hand, I think there is value there.

Re: Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

I didn't realize that we were supposed to comment on hand #1, but I think that it's a pretty clear b/f as this is an unpaired A looking to pull off a turn "value check" very frequently.

hand 2 is good, hand 1 I don\'t think so
 

the river bet in hand 2 is definately +EV, he's already shown he calls very lightly.

in hand 1 I think you should either c/r the flop or c/c the flop and lead the turn. you're most likely ahead, and with such a ragged board he must realise you probably have a made hand when you call and will check behind his unmade hands on the turn.

Re: hand 2 is good, hand 1 I don\'t think so
 

I like the river bet in hand 1. Hand 2, I'd check behind. If he was planning to call down, he's going to have trouble putting you on a hand he's ahead of. So I think there's less value in a bet than if the river card wasn't an ace.

Re: Reading too much; Couple hands vs. LAG
 

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Off topic - I think that against some players the way villain played hand #1 is not terrible. Probably not so good against you though.

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meh There's little chance he's ahead after almost anyone calls that flop.

Re: hand 2 is good, hand 1 I don\'t think so
 

dude, he called w/ king high just a few hands ago. why would you not bet for value.

hand 1) the line is too passive for my tastes. I agree with the river bet.

Re: hand 2 is good, hand 1 I don\'t think so
 

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hand 1) the line is too passive for my tastes. I agree with the river bet.

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You c/r the flop and he 3-bets. Fold? How about the turn donk, it's a b/f?