Another fold
 

Party 3/6. Villain is 37/13/2.4

Folded to me in MP I raise JJ, both blinds call.

Flop Qs 2c 2d. SB bets, BB folds, I fold.

Thoughts?

Re: Another fold
 

these are the types of situations where qualitative reads are more important that quantitative IMO...

personally i'd pop back at him here... he seems aggressive enough that he could be testing the waters w/ a middle pair to see if that flop missed you... if reraised i'd take one off and fold to turn aggression UI...

Re: Another fold
 

Close your eyes and call/call/call.

Re: Another fold
 

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Villain is 37/13/2.4 . . . I fold.



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Re: Another fold
 

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call/call/call

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you will see A high/trash/under pps enough

Re: Another fold
 

Call it down. He'll have a lower pp or nothing just as often as a Q or 2, and you want him to keep betting at you with a lower pp because he's going to put you on AK.

Re: Another fold
 

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Close your eyes and call/call/call.

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You think I'm good more than 30% of the time when I do that?

Re: Another fold
 

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these are the types of situations where qualitative reads are more important that quantitative IMO...

personally i'd pop back at him here... he seems aggressive enough that he could be testing the waters w/ a middle pair to see if that flop missed you... if reraised i'd take one off and fold to turn aggression UI...

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This may be a problem I have, but, I agree with raising him, but, then I would call down. I would be worried if an A or K hit tho.

Re: Another fold
 

if he has enough balls to 3-bet my raise on flop and lead the turn with a hand that doesn't beat a pair of jacks i'll give it to him here (unless he's ultra ultra aggro, which this guy doesn't seem to be)

Re: Another fold
 

I don't like folding.

As it stands, though, no hand that you are beating has more than 2-3 outs against you (to a set or one overcard). Hence, there is little reason to get aggressive here, particularly with position. You'd actually prefer your opponent to put one bet in on every street here with all inferior hands. And you certainly don't want to be putting in more than that with your hand.

There is the possibility of trying to find a "cheaper showdown," for example by raising the flop. But getting three-bet and folding a worse hand is a disaster, and we'd forgo a bit of value from our set outs. We also lose value from inferior hands probably, which, as we've noted, don't have many outs.

So I guess I like call-call-call also. It doesn't feel great, but...