Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion
 

Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players

I have been involved in quite a few of these types of hands recently and never really know if my line is good.

No reads on villain but i'm not so much concerned about his action. I'm more concerned about finding out if its right to raise non nut flush draws out of position or what is the best strategy?

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, MP3 calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion
 

&lt;-- new player

I'd not raise on this flop, I'd just call everything down till I hit my card. With only 3 players left after the button folds, I don't think you will get enough pot odds if you raise.

Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion
 

dont CR the flop after Button folds since you dont want MP3 to get blown away by a BB 3bet...also you wont get a free card often due to being OOP

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pot is too small and there arnt enough players for this to be a good c/r.

get a couple more in there and its a goer. dont be worried that its not the nut flush draw. with the king out there its second nuts, and you wont often be beaten when you make it.

its close, i would go for it if button called the flop. aussie, i wouldnt worry too much about bb 3-betting and cutting out the field.

a) especially at the micros, not many ppl will fold even for two after calling one on the flop
b) if the bb had something worth 3-betting with a king he probably would have jacked it pf.

i.e. i dont think there are many hands that will 3-bet you here that wouldnt raise pf. probably just the low sets and random 2p hands.

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its close, i would go for it if button called the flop. aussie, i wouldnt worry too much about bb 3-betting and cutting out the field.

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maybe so but by the time its back our our hero on the flop it is now 3 way so as we all know, its not really for value

also since we have relative position on BB we will be in a much better postion to CR the turn/river if/when we spike the flush

meh, you already agreed the CR aint so flash so ill stop typing...

Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion
 

yep, no doubt. either way you look at it, there is no value in a c/r

Re: Pumping Non Nut Flush draws - Out of Postion
 

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maybe so but by the time its back our our hero on the flop it is now 3 way so as we all know, its not really for value



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With more callers, I pump smaller flush draws too.

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With more callers, I pump smaller flush draws too.

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Even out of position?

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who else doesnt fold the river??

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honestly the flop c/r is probably a 0.1BB mistake, i would estimate the river fold at being close to a 2.5BB mistake....

thats like 25 times using the numbers i just made up out of my head