Fun w/ 77
 

Absolute 3/6, 9 handed. No stats and no reads.

Preflop:
Folded to Button who raises, SB calls, The Dude calls in the BB w/ 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Flop: (5.5 SBs) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="blue"> (3 Players) </font>
Checked to Button who bets, SB folds, The Dude calls.

Turn: (3.75 BBs) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (2 Players) </font>
What's The Dude's line?

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

i don't get it ...

isn't this a 3bet pre flop or a "call and check raise the flop"

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

I think I'd c/r the flop and go from there.

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

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i don't get it ...

isn't this a 3bet pre flop or a "call and check raise the flop"

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3betting this preflop isn't ideal given the SB in there. Calling usually lets you play the flop "better" from an FTOP standpoint when SB donks or c/r's the flop.

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

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i don't get it ...

isn't this a 3bet pre flop or a "call and check raise the flop"

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3betting this preflop isn't ideal given the SB in there. Calling usually lets you play the flop "better" from an FTOP standpoint when SB donks or c/r's the flop.

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[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] ... missed the sb

yeah I call ... but still c/r after sb folds ...

edit: what is FTOP?

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

it's a pretty small pot, so as played I'm inclined to let it go on the turn.

Otherwise I'd donk bet, folding to a raise, and c/c the river.

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

i would checkraise and fold to a 3bet.

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

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i don't get it ...

isn't this a 3bet pre flop or a "call and check raise the flop"

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3betting this preflop isn't ideal given the SB in there. Calling usually lets you play the flop "better" from an FTOP standpoint when SB donks or c/r's the flop.

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[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] ... missed the sb

yeah I call ... but still c/r after sb folds ...

edit: what is FTOP?

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Fundamental Theorem of Poker

Re: Fun w/ 77
 

Turn: (3.75 BBs) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
The Dude checks, <font color="red">Button bets</font>, <font color="red">The Dude raises</font>, planning on folding to a 3-bet, and betting the river if called.

I'm thoroughly convinced this line is far superior to putting in a pf 3-bet or flop cr. In this kind of steal situation the flop gets checkraised with all kinds of draws and overcards and complete crap. If my hand were stronger and I didn't mind if Button pushed back, fine, cr the flop. But with 3rd pair, after I put in my raise if he pushes back I have to fold, so I can wait 'till the turn where it's a lot easier to represent a real hand.

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Turn: (3.75 BBs) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
The Dude checks, <font color="red">Button bets</font>, <font color="red">The Dude raises</font>, planning on folding to a 3-bet, and betting the river if called.

I'm thoroughly convinced this line is far superior to putting in a pf 3-bet or flop cr. In this kind of steal situation the flop gets checkraised with all kinds of draws and overcards and complete crap. If my hand were stronger and I didn't mind if Button pushed back, fine, cr the flop. But with 3rd pair, after I put in my raise if he pushes back I have to fold, so I can wait 'till the turn where it's a lot easier to represent a real hand.

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luv it. The 8 falling and the follow up CR makes it even more believabe.

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