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sharpie 10-17-2006 07:18 PM

QQ
 
43/11/1.45 over 120, 1.8 riv agg.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB folds.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Hero folds

ejay 10-17-2006 07:30 PM

Re: QQ
 
I play it the same.

BlueLaser 10-17-2006 07:43 PM

Re: QQ
 
Ugly river. Against an unknown I play the same way as you. If I have lots of hands on the player (more than 1000) I will make a crying call in their won showdown when raised river is ~70% or less, as this would be a pretty good card for the villain to bluff at.

CaseS87 10-17-2006 07:45 PM

Re: QQ
 
whats his turn aggression? vs this opponent i might pay off because its a perfect bluff card, and also if he had a flush its good to know that he semi-bluff raised the turn.

Mossberg 10-17-2006 08:03 PM

Re: QQ
 
I would C/C the river if I was ready to fold to a raise. Although I think you're almost always behind when he raises, I typically give a player with stats like that like ZERO RESPECT. In this particular hand, I would feel inclined to fold to a raise, so I would check. It's a good card for him to bluff at, and his pair may have just improved to 2pair. I don't want to give him credit, and at the same time I don't want to showdown for an additional 2BB.

CaseS87 10-17-2006 08:06 PM

Re: QQ
 
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I would C/C the river if I was ready to fold to a raise. Although I think you're almost always behind when he raises, I typically give a player with stats like that like ZERO RESPECT. In this particular hand, I would feel inclined to fold to a raise, so I would check. It's a good card for him to bluff at, and his pair may have just improved to 2pair. I don't want to give him credit, and at the same time I don't want to showdown for an additional 2BB.

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this is too results oriented. it looks like he had a made hand on the turn that we have beat. the vast majority of the time if you check he'll just check down a hand that you have beat.

Mossberg 10-17-2006 08:10 PM

Re: QQ
 
I might agree if that wasn't one of the worst cards in the deck. Dude could have 2 spades, A8, A4, AJ, slowplayed set etc etc.. What are we potentially losing value from by C/C the river? A few random Jx hands (which he may take a stab with when checked to anyways)? Maybe I'm a complete wuss for wanting to fold to a raise on that river - but given that I do, I think a C/C is optimal.

Kwaz 10-17-2006 09:25 PM

Re: QQ
 
NH.

Tiltaniac 10-17-2006 10:43 PM

Re: QQ
 
flop. like
turn. i like. if you want to be fancy panties you can call raise and raise safge river.

i liek to check the river. good fold.


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