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luthar 10-16-2006 01:38 PM

PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
This might be a weird post but I'm asking you what line should Vilain take here with his hand.

Reads on vilain: - 3 tabling 11$

Reads on hero are as follow:
-3rd hand in SnG.. Hero raised 3xBB UTG on 1st hand...everyone folded

What ranges does Hero have on flop?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t1160)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1490)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Vilain is in MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]


<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t40</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP3 calls t40

Flop: (t190) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

Turn: (t430) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

River: (t670) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, MP3 calls t240

Pudge714 10-16-2006 01:42 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
I'm so confused.

luthar 10-16-2006 01:50 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
I am confused how vilain played that hand and hope any one of you has a meta-game explanation...

helloimcdog 10-16-2006 01:51 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
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lastchance 10-16-2006 02:00 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
I have KK as MP3, right?

I raise to t60-t80, 3-bet preflop. On the flop, if I have something like AQ, I probably raise, though calling down isn't the worst like in the world. I don't think you can raise turn or river for value after the way pf and flop went down.

Josh_sieg 10-16-2006 02:05 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
Villian open folds KK in MP1, bad move dude

luthar 10-16-2006 02:18 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
*mental notes never to try something fancy with a converter*

KK is MP3 yes...

wiggs73 10-16-2006 02:22 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
Uh... villain could have re-raised or raised the flop I reckon.

WTF did you have, that's such an odd line for any hand, especially preflop.

Green Kool Aid 10-16-2006 02:42 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
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i thought you guys were being lazy and didn't want to decipher this, but i tried to figure out wtf was going on three times and can't. sorry OP.

i will say that KK played this pretty bad.

luthar 10-16-2006 05:04 PM

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 
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Uh... villain could have re-raised or raised the flop I reckon.

WTF did you have, that's such an odd line for any hand, especially preflop.

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Good ol AA... I was just shocked when I saw in my hand history that he had KK.. didn't understand a thing.. he should have normally re-raised pf.. re-raised on flop?

I was wondering what he was trying to do?! Trap me risking an ace? Not wanting to commit to a pot?! I tought about meta game.. but... oh well..

Here was the right hand:
PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t1160)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1490)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]


<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t40</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP3 calls t40

Flop: (t190) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

Turn: (t430) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

River: (t670) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, MP3 calls t240

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