flush in a paired board against a donk
 

Villain is 56/28/2.4 after 1000 hands. Very donky. Always wins so maybe he is good after all and is just donk preflop? Very agg. postflop also. Capable of pushing any pp on any board.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($34, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($34, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $28</font>, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($90, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $360</font>, Hero says oh crap

damn, the converter erases stack sizes. Well we are about 150BB both

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

he probably also has a flush or AA...

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Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

I would not call this turn.

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

yeah I guess the turn call sucks balls and I deserved to lose this one too. I just thought I have good implieds against this overly agg. villain. I should just muck it bc of the pair.

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

yeah, Also I would bet this flop

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

Do many people fold this turn?

I would sometimes, but not very often.

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Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

I would fold this ALOT w/o a good read.
I play my draws aggressively but not on a paired board.

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

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yeah I guess the turn call sucks balls and I deserved to lose this one too. I just thought I have good implieds against this overly agg. villain. I should just muck it bc of the pair.

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Right. The problem is, you have good implied odds only if you are drawing to the nuts or nearly so.

Heads up, you should never call any reasonable size bet (more than 1/2 pot), drawing to a flush or straight on a paired board. Drawing to a flush when heads up is only marginally +EV, anyway. When you throw in the possibility that you might be drawing dead, it quickly becomes -EV. Consider how annoying it is when you ARE drawing to a good flush, but then the flush card, when it comes, also pairs the board. Suddenly, your hands are somewhat bound and you can't make the most out of your catch.

However, in this case, by your own read, you felt he was overly aggressive, which is what gave you more than usual implied odds. Therefore, you have to call the check-raise, here. It might just be him being overly aggressive. That's what you wanted, right? If you didn't want that, then where were your implied odds?

Re: flush in a paired board against a donk
 

yeah, of course I called against this guy... and bc this post is here I lost obv lol

he had J7o

I would have never called this turn against anybody else. paired board. his bet is almost the pot etc. but against this guy.... well, I might have been tilting a bit too