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drywater 10-05-2006 04:43 AM

20/40 AK, big pot , ugly turn
 
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

Whats your play...?
I had no info about the players. The Turn card is ugly and also I'm commited to the pot. The Qc and Jc are 2 cards that I didn't want to see on that turn.

The "+" about betting are:
-protect this big pot, get rid of the pairs , gutshots and little clubs
-value bet your probably best hand

The "-" about betting
-you could get Check-raised by unknown player, and you could be drawing dead
The cards that could Check-raise are
Made flush - no outs (I would probably get some heat on flop)
AJ,J9, - on average drawing to half pot
KK,TT,QQ,- have some outs
KT,KQ,QT,- have decent outs compared to pot ods

I think its borderline, but want to hear some opinions and also arguments


Good Variance

mute 10-05-2006 05:28 PM

Re: 20/40 AK, big pot , ugly turn
 
Checking here is horrible. You have TPTK and the board is drawy. Yeah, you can't fold to a checkraise against an unknown, but you will have the best hand way too often here.

kurosh 10-05-2006 07:08 PM

Re: 20/40 AK, big pot , ugly turn
 
Bet and it depends on the action what I do. If BB calls and UTG raises, I fold. If BB raises and UTG calls, it's tough. Flip a coin. If one of them folds and the other raises, I call.

Usually they aren't going to have very strong hands here. Most of them would donk on such a scary board.


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