Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

Good live game. This is likely a standard hand, just want to verify my line here. Hero has AT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in ealry middle position.

Terrible player limps UTG, folded to hero who raises, 2 cold calls and BB calls.

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10 SB)

check, limper bets, hero raises, another terrible player cold calls, folded to bettor who calls.

Turn is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 BB)

check, this is a trivially easy bet here right? How about the raise on the flop?

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

Hi there,

Seems to me like raising the flop is just charging yourself to draw. I don't think you're ahead at this point, and I don't see you folding any draw or weak made hand.

Turn seems like a pretty clear check behind as well. Unless you can convince yourself that /both/ players will fold either heart draw or whatever piece of the board they hit.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

Well the idea was to clean up outs, possibly get a free card and maybe folding out hands that could outdraw me if I hit one of my weak outs. As far as the turn, my thinking was I'll have to call a bet from the cold caller, so I might as well bet my self and disguise my hand a little bit if I hit.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

as played i would check the turn, i think.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

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as played i would check the turn, i think.

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Checking the turn is actually a fairly deceptive move. If I were Villain, I now put him on two hearts, KT, or some kind of a J.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

What outs are you hoping to clean up? AK and KT are not folding.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

Yeah, check the turn. You got the free card, you're not ahead, why don't you want to take it?

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Yeah, check the turn. You got the free card, you're not ahead, why don't you want to take it?

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Because I'm unlikely to get it with the guy calling behind me. Like I said my reasoning was that if I'm calling a bet, I might as well bet myself.

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Yeah, check the turn. You got the free card, you're not ahead, why don't you want to take it?

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Because I'm unlikely to get it with the guy calling behind me. Like I said my reasoning was that if I'm calling a bet, I might as well bet myself.

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except you run the risk of getting raised right after and thinning the field. tis much better to let that person bet (or check behind, which i give about a 30% chance of) and let others call and you call to close the action. then donk the river if you hit.

Re: Too much with this ATs 15/30?
 

Hmm good point.