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Scipio 09-25-2006 09:17 PM

Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
MP2 raises, we calls with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...

What is your default-line on the following flops?
What do you do against raises?

a) AK2
b) 234
c) K82
d) T98
e) J72
f) A72

Thanks!

jjacky 09-25-2006 09:57 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
i think this question is not specific enough to get a good discussion going. i'll try to answer anyway.

i assume an unknown opponent.

a) c/f
b)
c) c/f, sometimes bluff c/r and firing another bullet on the turn
d) c/r and usually cap against 3-bet
e) c/r value betting all streets. calldown against any further agression
f)

Victor 09-25-2006 10:05 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
im assuming you are saying we flopped a flush draw with all of these flops?

if so i dont see anything wrong with cring all of them.

i would be most inclined to just call the (f) and (e) but really i dont see a problem with cr.

Scipio 09-25-2006 10:10 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
Sorry, my post was bad formulated.
"Blind Defense:FD on different flops".
Every flop contains two diamonds and we have a flushdraw in all cases.

smurfitup 09-25-2006 10:19 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
[ QUOTE ]
Sorry, my post was bad formulated.
"Blind Defense:FD on different flops".
Every flop contains two diamonds and we have a flushdraw in all cases.

[/ QUOTE ]

c-r every flop, though i might bet-3bet some of the ones where we flopped a pair w/ the fd just to vary it up.

Scipio 09-25-2006 10:39 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
What do you do against a 3-bet after your checkraise?
What do you think about capping on the examples c),d),e)?

Victor 09-25-2006 10:43 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
[ QUOTE ]
What do you do against a 3-bet after your checkraise?
What do you think about capping on the examples c),d),e)?

[/ QUOTE ]

easily cap d for value and to avoid free card.
i would cap c some of the time if you think dude can fold.
i would proly never cap e since you arent ever gonna get a better hand to fold and you arent ahead of much that 3bets and you have sick implied odds making it sweet to get 2 bets ont the later streets.

DonovanParker 09-27-2006 04:40 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
How about check-calling a?

Probability is high that he has an ace or king and I don't wanna get raised on the turn (which we we would have to call, but it would have become expensive to draw to our flush)

HOWMANY 09-27-2006 05:05 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
a) Usually c/c both flop and turn, c/r turn if I hit; sometimes c/r flop
b) c/c flop and c/r turn and c/r flop about evenly
c) same as b
d) c/r because this looks like the kind of flop that I should be checkraising to opponents, hopefully they will either have a piece of be obstinate and not believe me
e) c/r and probably value bet every street if blanks come off. If he 3 bets flop I cap, bet turn and probably c/c or c/f river. If he raises turn I call and c/f river. If he raises river I fold.
f) Either c/r, bet turn, c/f (c/c vs some dumb opponents) river or c/c flop, c/c turn and c/f river, sometimes c/r turn if it's against a foldy opponent and we have a chance of him folding the best hand.

Victor 09-27-2006 06:15 PM

Re: Blind Defense:FD on different flops...
 
" I don't wanna get raised on the turn"

why bet the turn?


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