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Cornell Fiji 09-24-2006 09:42 PM

WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
Hero has 25,000
MP1 has 30,000
BB has 16,000

Table has been obnoxiously tight. Most hands get folded to the CO. Most raised hands get folded to the pfr. MP1 has been playing as tight as everyone else.

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Blinds are 300/600 50 ante.

Preflop:
MP1 raises to 1600 (standard), one fold,
Hero calls...?
BB calls

Flop (5600) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB checks
MP1 bets 4000
Hero...?

friscopabs 09-24-2006 10:49 PM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
I would put in a re-raise. Even with the tight table, that looks to me like a continuation bet as much as anything. I think it is at least an easy call, but I would reraise to put some pressure on him.

Cornell Fiji 09-24-2006 11:25 PM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
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I would put in a re-raise. Even with the tight table, that looks to me like a continuation bet as much as anything. I think it is at least an easy call, but I would reraise to put some pressure on him.

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I was thinking that with 9,600 in the pot taking it down now would mean a lot to me at this stage in the tournament so I could not really withstand a K or A on the turn.

I thought about raising 8k more to 12,000 (leaving me with 9,000 behind) but I felt that doing so would be turning my QQ into 72o because if he called I would not know what to do against a turn bet and if he 3-bet all in I would be in a tough position but would feel pot committed to call. I also considered pushing all in.

Thoughts?

Cornell Fiji 09-25-2006 10:35 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
PS... Congrats Strassa!

ps27 09-25-2006 10:38 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
Reraise preflop

FortunaMaximus 09-25-2006 10:49 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
Risky spot for a flatcall. Would repop sometimes pre, generally.

Now that you got the flop you want, reraise. Great flop. If you think he has a pretty tight range, so this is 99+, KQs+, AQo+ from MP1, maybe a bit wider. ~10k should do it. Makes the turn tricky to play if he coldcalls, but you might be able to peel and get a showdown skipping a round of betting.

If he three-bet shoves, well. judgment call.

Question is if you like your QQ enough to felt with it. Reraising will tell you that, and let you decide on flop instead of cold-calling bigger bets and a possible AI on river. Don't give him a chance to peel or draw cheaply.

Fiksdal 09-25-2006 10:50 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
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Reraise preflop

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If you re-raise to about 4000 pre flop, you make it a lot easier for yourself. If he re-raises you can evaluate again, if he calls, you know you are ahead on a non A/K flop.

As played I would raise to 10k on this flop, looking to get all in.

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supane 09-25-2006 11:16 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
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Reraise preflop

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if he calls, you know you are ahead on a non A/K flop.



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I don't think this is reasonable, he could easily have KK+ here if he calls. KK may fold out worse hands by pushing and AA may have interest in trapping.

Fiksdal 09-25-2006 11:33 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
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Reraise preflop

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if he calls, you know you are ahead on a non A/K flop.



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I don't think this is reasonable, he could easily have KK+ here if he calls. KK may fold out worse hands by pushing and AA may have interest in trapping.

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People really trap with AA/KK in these torunies? Sounds real strange to me, but I wouldn't know.

AceLuby 09-25-2006 11:39 AM

Re: WCOOP $1050 NL. QQ in MP
 
re-raise PF
re-raise on the flop

There is too little information to put his range on KK+, re-raising PF would give you a little more info. If he hit his set or has KK+ I'm probably going broke here. I would re-raise to about 10k and call a push.

Re-raising PF lets this hand play out a little easier.


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