Party 3/6 6m KK
 

Hello All,

I play this hand very early in my session. My stack was full and my villains cover; BB's stack was $1800 deep. I did not yet have a read on these players.

I raised UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to $24. MP called and the BB raised to $60. I called (?) and MP called.

Flop: ($183) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000ff">(3 players)</font>
BB bets $120, Kristijan (?)

Thank you for your assistance.

KD.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

standard pot size raise fold to push

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

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standard pot size raise fold to push

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doesn't a pot sized raise commit us?

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

i would just call the flop, and likely call down until im arr in.

i could also see calling the flop and folding to a turn bet, because his PFR looks a lot like QQ+ (it's so small!), but i'm kind of a fish, and in reality would call down.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

You still have ~290$ left behind, not really pot comitted.

I would not call down either. I would raise to see where I stand off the flop. Calling down is not good because your bettor has control of the pot.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

stackcheck,

it sounds like you don't know what a potsized raise is.

in this case, a potsized raise would be to $423 (183+120+120), leaving us with a little over $100 behind.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

The flop had 183 and the bet of 120. That is all the money in the pot right now correct?
Maybe Im wrong. But what I meant was raise to about 340 and fold to push. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

i kinda feel bad for the OP because this is something of a derail, but a PSR includes your "call" of his bet in your raise. although it isn't as big of a deal in this situation because you are shallow in relation to the pot, it's important in some situations because if you think of a PSR as what you're describing you'll end up giving your opponents odds to draw in a lot of hands. or something like that.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

Why no 4-bet pre? And actually a potsized raise would definitely commit you because you'd be all in. $423 would be the size of the raise +$120 to call = $543.

Re: Party 3/6 6m KK
 

4betting preflop in this spot allows the opponent to play very close to perfectly against us.

I think that calling the flop and shoving a non A/Q turn might be nice.