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Crizby 08-02-2006 01:00 PM

25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
Not been at the table long so no real reads except i noticed Villain 1 had been limping into a lot of pots.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($19.54)
Villain 1 ($25.83)
MP1 ($26)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($7.65)
CO ($25.15)
Button ($9.05)
Hero ($23.35)
Villain 2) ($22.05)
UTG ($11.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.

<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, (Villain 1) calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) completes,(Villain 2) checks.

Flop: ($1.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.75</font>, Villain 2 calls $0.75, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Villain 1 raises to $1.5</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.25</font>, Villain 2 calls $5.50, Villain 1 calls $4.75.

Turn: ($20) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villain 2 bets $6</font>, Villain 1 calls $6, Hero?.

Not sure about the way i played this, maybe lead for more on the flop? After the turn ive no idea where im at.

ThePortuguee 08-02-2006 01:09 PM

Re: 25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
This is an interseting spot, but i think there's a good chance we're still ahead.

Do people here like a call or a push? I don't think folding is an option here.

Villain 1 and 2's range are both quite wide, IMO. Both can have a boat. JT, QJ, and KQ are within both of their ranges, as are diamond draws.

There's a reasonable chance hero is beaten, but IMO a fairly good chacne he's ahead. So what to do? I'm not sure. I think it's got to be fairly close between a shove and a call, right? A shove is goign to get called by a non-boat T and maybe even by a diamond draw, since we only have like 10 more on top, and even QJ might make a stupid call, so I think I like a shove.

A call and then passive play, planning to call any bet on a non-diamond river, and releasing to action on a diamond river doesn't seem bad, but I dont think i liek it as much. thoughts?

CappyAA 08-02-2006 01:11 PM

Re: 25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
Push - The bet is a small bet into a big pot. It could be a naked Q, a T, or some kind of pair/draw combo. It's all getting on the river anyways, so just put it in there now.

derosnec 08-02-2006 01:15 PM

Re: 25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
i lead turn. not sure what amount. haven't done the Sklanskyesque "opponent will call X bet Y % of the time, so you should bet Z if his odds are Q R% of the time and W M% of the time"

machine 08-02-2006 01:16 PM

Re: 25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
I would pot bet this flop, Then bet the turn about $12-15 this will give you a better idea of where you stand. With no reads i would shove here the way you have played it.2 pr and a flush draw are shown here alot sometimes you will see a boat but i personally think your good here most the time, But you just gotta bet the flop more then maybe you can get it in on the flop, but yer dont fold

prayformojo 08-02-2006 01:22 PM

Re: 25NL: Flop Straight, turn pairs board.
 
I push the turn first to act. Hero is up against a flush draw, a J OESD, trip 10s, or a pair of Queens, or some combination of these hands, most of which call a push that's &lt; pot sized bet, far more often than he's up against a made full house. Hero offers no implied odds. Ignore the monsters under the bed and put money in now.

As played, I don't see the purpose of checking the turn unless you intended a check/push. Villain 1's call doesn't scare me much, since he's getting great odds on a lot of draws. When it's back to me I push, getting almost 2:1 on my money. If you're calling any non-diamond, non-double pair river anyway, which I think you would have to, your money's going in the pot if you're beat most of the time anyway.


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