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DrewOnTilt 07-23-2006 05:20 PM

I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
Villain in this hand was consistenlty raising or check-raising my steals. He would always check-raise with any piece of the board, and it was seriously pissing me off. He has TAGgish stats and seems to play well postflop, but I would say that his one weakness is that he badly overvalues 1-pair hands headsup.

I know that he has no king here, but can I see a showdown? The turn was kinda ugly.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero ???

The Bryce 07-23-2006 05:22 PM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
I don't see why Villain can't have a K here. Since you didn't mention that you thought he was coming after you with airballs I suggest you get your head screwed on straight and fold.

DrewOnTilt 07-23-2006 06:46 PM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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I suggest you get your head screwed on straight and fold.

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Thanks, I needed that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Still, I think a King waits for the turn here.

Terrabon98 07-23-2006 07:49 PM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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I suggest you get your head screwed on straight and fold.

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Thanks, I needed that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Still, I think a King waits for the turn here.

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Not if he's a good TAG and he realizes that he has been abusing you lately by fastplaying all types of hands.

Regis 07-23-2006 08:12 PM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
I'd fold. I think you're probably behind and although you will often have six outs here, that is not enough to call and you might be drawing dead.

MacGuyV 07-24-2006 12:29 AM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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I suggest you get your head screwed on straight and fold.

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Thanks, I needed that [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Still, I think a King waits for the turn here.

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Not if he's a good TAG and he realizes that he has been abusing you lately by fastplaying all types of hands.

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That's quite an assumption. Folding this hand blows chunks out of my ass IMO.

BEP 07-24-2006 01:24 AM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
You have two options here once you get raised on that flop.

1. See a showdown.
2. Move down to $5-$10

donger 07-24-2006 02:05 AM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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You have two options here once you get raised on that flop.

1. See a showdown.
2. Move down to $5-$10

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This seems ridiculously oversimplified.


Re: the hand, I think giving up this turn is fine. I would probably commit to showdown on a non-diamond turn.

DrewOnTilt 07-24-2006 02:25 AM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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I think giving up this turn is fine.

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And I wish I had, but I decided to look him up this time. I got shown 4 2 offsuit no diamond for bottom pair, bet the whole way.

Meh, back to the grind.

BEP 07-24-2006 02:36 AM

Re: I know this [censored]-head doesn\'t have a King
 
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You have two options here once you get raised on that flop.

1. See a showdown.
2. Move down to $5-$10

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This seems ridiculously oversimplified.


Re: the hand, I think giving up this turn is fine. I would probably commit to showdown on a non-diamond turn.

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Nut no-pair is definitely enough to see a showdown here. An overplaying/tilting TAG is going to be raising Ax sometimes on this flop, sometimes making a pure bluff.


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