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Durer 01-20-2006 03:08 PM

10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
blinds 200-400 in Party 35k guarantee 30+3 rebuy on party

CO-1 with 11k open up for 1200, folded to me on button, i have 10 10 and 7000, blinds have 8000 each, no special reads altough i have not seen him raising that much, whats the best play with this info ?

betgo 01-20-2006 07:32 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
I would probably push. Push or call.

Durer 01-20-2006 07:43 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
it should be obvious by the blinds size but anyway its past the rebuy time

Ansky 01-20-2006 07:48 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
Call, reevaluate on flop. With antes id push.

schavuit 01-20-2006 08:26 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
I'd say call, and see what he does on the flop. If he calls a push, you're tournament life is on the line with 10-10 and you will at best have a coinflip. If he folds you win 1800 which isn't enough to risk your whole stack against this guy who will probably have a hand since he doesn't raise very often.. Call and let him miss the flop.

geestyle 01-20-2006 08:39 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
Push - the fact he's not raising much suggests he's tight therefore he might fold. If you get callers your probably a coin flip against 2+ callers and slight fav against 1.

betgo 01-20-2006 08:39 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
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I'd say call, and see what he does on the flop. If he calls a push, you're tournament life is on the line with 10-10 and you will at best have a coinflip. If he folds you win 1800 which isn't enough to risk your whole stack against this guy who will probably have a hand since he doesn't raise very often.. Call and let him miss the flop.

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The push is pretty favorable. You have 7000, so gaining 1800 is significant. TT vs. two overcards is not a coin flip and you have pot odds. Your EV gain against two overcards is also about 1800. Against a higher pp, the exoected loss is about 3800. There is some chance of being called by a lower pp or A9 or something. On balance pushing is significantly EV+.

Calling with position is also favorable, so it is a good play too. I think pushing is better, but calling is OK depending on the situation.

Ansky 01-20-2006 09:02 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
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Push - the fact he's not raising much suggests he's tight therefore he might fold. If you get callers your probably a coin flip against 2+ callers and slight fav against 1.

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Everything said in this post is wrong.

Even the tightest of players here will not fold a better hand here. Ever.

Durer 01-20-2006 09:31 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
i pushed and he called with qq, i am not sure this is result oriented but i think it was wrong, it was only 39 people left and 7k was a pretty okey stack and I am probaly either coinflip or in really bad shape against a tight players open range here, altough a call and reevaluate on the flop or fold are better lines in this spot with this stack against this player at this stage? thoughts?

geestyle 01-20-2006 09:42 PM

Re: 10 10 on button after CO-1 raise 17,5bb
 
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Push - the fact he's not raising much suggests he's tight therefore he might fold. If you get callers your probably a coin flip against 2+ callers and slight fav against 1.

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Everything said in this post is wrong.



Even the tightest of players here will not fold a better hand here. Ever.

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Get a grip man - i said he might fold and your not in that a bad shape if he calls! Your only worried about AA - JJ and thats a tight range to put a very tight player on in that position.


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