Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

Villan is 21/10/1.33 over only 100. Seems pretty solid and is probably a slight winner.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>

Haupt_234

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

A somewhat solid villain who cold calls you preflop and then proceeds to call you down with a raggy board is probably holding a pocket pair. If that's the case, I don't think he's ever folding this river. The only hand that is is another 1 diamond hand like yours.

I check the turn for a free card and fold the river UI. Someone tell me I'm a wuss now.

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

Hmmm... interesting hand. My first instinct is to put him on a flush draw, in which case this is clearly the best line since so often his flush draw will have an A in it.

But then I think that a solid player is not often calling in the BB with an unsuited Ax - he's got to be afraid of being dominated. So that makes him more likely to have a small/mid PP or something like mid suited connectors. A good player should be trying to protect a small pair on this flop, though, so I'd expect a bet out or a check-raise. Would he call the flop with something like 6c8c? I dunno.

Either way, a turn bet necessitates a river bet, since the pot is too big to loose it to the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. So I guess sometimes I'd take the free card and fold the river u/i, and sometimes plays it this way. Maybe this is good time to just flip a coin...

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

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A somewhat solid villain who cold calls you preflop and then proceeds to call you down with a raggy board is probably holding a pocket pair.

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I think most good players fold their low pocket pairs here on the flop unless they have a decent draw. And I think a solid player folds a PP enough of the time unimproved to make the river bet +EV.

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

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A somewhat solid villain who cold calls you preflop and then proceeds to call you down with a raggy board is probably holding a pocket pair.

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What solid villans do you play against that don't protect their small PPs on a 3flush board and only check/call them down?

Haupt_234

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

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Either way, a turn bet necessitates a river bet, since the pot is too big to loose it to the naked A. So I guess sometimes I'd take the free card and fold the river u/i, and sometimes plays it this way. Maybe this is good time to just flip a coin...

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You bet the turn and only got a call, you gotta bet the river. You are looking at a lone big diamond enough, plus folding out a small pair on the river (some of the time) because of your pre flop raise, to make this bet profitable over the long haul.

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

Well he didn't really cold call, he was BB and just called 1 bet to him. As a blind defender He is very likely to have an A (a lot of people with defend with Ax), given the action I'd say A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is very likely, still the river bet is scary but I suppose we only need him to fold like 20% of the time? . . . and he will surely fold A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] more than that

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

I'd put him on a high diamond. He's a pretty aggressive player so I'd think that he'd bet/raise if he felt he was leading despite a 3 flush on the board.

I woulda played it the same.

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

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Either way, a turn bet necessitates a river bet, since the pot is too big to loose it to the naked A. So I guess sometimes I'd take the free card and fold the river u/i, and sometimes plays it this way. Maybe this is good time to just flip a coin...

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You bet the turn and only got a call, you gotta bet the river. You are looking at a lone big diamond enough, plus folding out a small pair on the river (some of the time) because of your pre flop raise, to make this bet profitable over the long haul.

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I don't think I am ever folding a pair on this board not as part of a blind defense- that would ev negative.

Re: Me have KQo, He check then me bet
 

Haupt:

Given that you bet the turn, I think I like the river bet.

However, you say the guy is fairly solid...what hands does he call the flop with that now fold to a bet on that turn? I guess I don't see you picking up the pot very often at all given your read and the turn card. Yeah, I know you don't have to pick it up too often to make it right, I just think you are getting called here almost all the time.

Obviously, the problem with checking, is that you will occassionally get bluffed off the best hand on the river.

--Rico