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pete3145 07-06-2006 07:10 PM

TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
MP is pretty loose and aggressive dint think he would fold 2 pair or AK to my raise.

Think I have a leak with overbetting with very good hands. I think I would get more value from them if I would bet less. I often like to push All In on the river with the nuts, if the other player seems interrested. But if he is so interrested would he not be just as eager as me to get the money All in [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP3 ($100.95)
CO ($97.50)
Button ($97.50)
Hero ($135.15)
BB ($98.55)
UTG ($116.55)
UTG+1 ($108.85)
UTG+2 ($6)
MP1 ($106)
MP2 ($248.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $4</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($16) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $8</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls $8.

Turn: ($48) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, MP2 calls $20.

River: ($88) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ...

Final Pot: $183.15

Albert Moulton 07-06-2006 07:16 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
Raise more than the minimum on the flop.

Bet more on the turn.

Push whatever's left on the river.

I think you should be trying to get villain pot-committed by the river so he pretty much has to call with anything he's come so far with.

As played, bet 1/2 the pot ($44) on the river and hope he has a straight or full house and comes over the top for an all-in. I think $44 gets called by just about anything villain might have come so far with, including something as weak as AQ.

Supesimmo 07-06-2006 07:24 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
In hands like this, you have to size your bets so that the pot size on later streets is big enough for your 2/3 PSB's/PSB's on the turn and the river to comprise the rest of your stack.

Although Check-Raising is a valid line here, I think a pretty good alternative is just to lead out for 5/6 of the pot.

As played, I think villain is folding to an all-in bet here. I'd bet $55ish

wslee00 07-06-2006 07:24 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
[ QUOTE ]
Raise more than the minimum on the flop.

Bet more on the turn.

Push whatever's left on the river.

I think you should be trying to get villain pot-committed by the river so he pretty much has to call with anything he's come so far with.

As played, bet 1/2 the pot ($44) on the river and hope he has a straight or full house and comes over the top for an all-in. I think $44 gets called by just about anything villain might have come so far with, including something as weak as AQ.

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i think he's got it right on the money

Lou Dog 07-06-2006 07:38 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
As played try to get a little more then 44 in ont he river... betting more on the flop and turn would have helped the river

orange 07-06-2006 08:13 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
lost alot of value in this hand imo. I would c/r bigger to ~$30+ rather than the minimum. Leading the flop isnt too bad of a line either.

The turn bet is super weak too. Building this pot quickly should be the only thing on your mind. I would value bet river for $50.

jjigglers 07-06-2006 08:18 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
Lock this thread? How to play quads is dealt with in the FAQ.

Hince 07-06-2006 08:27 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
Definately, bet-3-bet the flop. C/r shows significantly more strength and will put many opponents on gaurd. It also forces BB out without commiting any dead money.

Then bet more on every street.

Supesimmo 07-06-2006 08:28 PM

Re: TT,100nl, flopped set, rivered quads, betsizing with nuts help
 
[ QUOTE ]
Lock this thread? How to play quads is dealt with in the FAQ.

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That's on about flopped quads. Here, the rivered quads just confirm to OP that there is no chance he's beat


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