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TommyChong 01-18-2006 06:54 PM

ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
Villian is 19.6/2.9/1.08 over 100 hands

I figured he had the Q because he had to think for a bit before calling this. But he could have just had a low pocket pair and was calling with that. I have trouble with these.

Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

milesdyson 01-18-2006 06:57 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
no point in a river bet whatsoever. i really doubt the guy calls you with a worse T or 99 or lower very much at all, and he wont fold a better hand (basically a Q or K)

and to be honest, on such a drawless flop vs. a pretty tight passive opponent, you should check through on the turn hoping to improve. i would fold to a river bet unimproved.

tehox 01-18-2006 06:58 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
I would like to hear how others would play this. As played though I don't think the river is a value bet against this type of opponent.

NB_Gambler 01-18-2006 06:59 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
I would check the river behind.
He probably has you beat so why put in another bet

NB_Gambler 01-18-2006 07:05 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
I thought about checking the turn and folding the river but he could be on a draw (could have JTs, AJ or something). If I didn't hit the T on the turn I would indeed check and fold the river if unimproved. But now you hit bet the turn, check the river and fold to a raise on the turn.

jay1313 01-18-2006 07:08 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
:Grunch:

This is a tough one for me to and where I think I may need help. Given his stats, he probably caught a piece of the flop and it is a coin toss on the river if he will fold. Given he called the semi-scary turn, I am checking behind on the river and would definitely check behind if he his VPIP is higher.

I don't disagree with your river bet, you are giving him the chance the fold and am looking forward to others opionions.

tassie 01-18-2006 07:12 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
I figured he had the Q because he had to think for a bit before calling this.

I think you have to be really careful putting too much emphasis on how long people wait. Sometime I take ages coz I am having a sip of coffee, playing multi table or simply scratching my balls (can I say that on here)

Grunch:
I would bet it as you have and then check call the river.

NB_Gambler 01-18-2006 07:19 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
Well the pot is a very small one and looking at his stats he probably has you beat. So why put in 2 more BB with such a small pot if the chances you're beat are that big?

Low Limit Loser 01-18-2006 07:22 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
*Grunch*

"Do I keep betting this?"

flop bet is OK and preferred

Turn bet is read dependent (default is no)

River bet, No.

LLL

McNeese72 01-18-2006 07:41 PM

Re: ATs, do I keep beting this?
 
Grunch:

In situations like this, I check behind. More often than not he won't call you unless he has you beat.

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