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Jigsaws 06-26-2006 05:48 PM

$3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
CO is a tad aggressive. My notes (only from this session):

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Reraised river with high card K on a board with an A after calling all the way.

Very strong betting with his aces on a one-ace flop. Checked turn, river open push.

Aggressive when checked to for a while.

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Button's just plain bad. A big gambler. My notes:

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Unaware of draws. Maniac calling station etc.?

Pushed river with QQ on a 34667 board.

Got all-in over flop turn river with low top pair, top kicker on a draw heavy board.

Pushed with J5o over a minraise.

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PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1485)
UTG+1 (t1230)
MP1 (t1505)
MP2 (t2945)
CO (t2905)
Button (t1880)
SB (t1635)
Hero (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="red">CO raises to t200</font>, Button calls t200, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero calls t100, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>

I'm playing for set value here. A minraise call seems fine for the two I'm most likely stacking if I hit.

Flop: (t750) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t200</font>, Button calls t200, Hero calls t200

I do hit. And on a very dry flop too. Based on reads, either CO or Button is betting here. I check/call, figuring I'll check-raise the turn for a little bit.

Turn: (t1350) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t200</font>, Button calls t200, <font color="red">Hero raises to t500</font>, CO calls t300, Button calls t300

I check-raise for a near min-bet, and I'm fully expecting and wanting callers. I didn't think well about the size of the reraise here, though.

River: (t2850) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t515 (All-in)</font>, CO calls t515, Button calls t515

I lead, because I could see a check-down after my check-raise.

Any comments on my line?

EscapePlan9 06-26-2006 05:52 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
PF good. Flop "okay" since it is really dry. Turn either lead out with all-in or c/r all-in. You have about 1000 chips left and the pot already is 1350. Your check small raise in that huge pot after a bet-call was AWFUL.

fallen 06-26-2006 06:13 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
I think PF &amp; the flop look ok. The idea of a check raise on the turn seems ok to me but you bet way to small.
Both players only have to call 300 more into a pot of 2250.
You're giving these guys over 7 to 1 to call with their draws. You need to charge more when the pot is this big. Make them pay to hit that runner runner.
I think check raise all-in here is the best play given the size of the pot &amp; the stack sizes.

Jigsaws 06-26-2006 06:20 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
Okay, thank you. I wasn't thinking on the turn. Too blinded by my monster. Check-raise push seems good.

TruFloridaGator 06-26-2006 06:49 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
Guys, this is an instapush PF.

Pasterbator 06-26-2006 07:10 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
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Guys, this is an instapush PF.

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It certainly is. As played you NEEEED to c/r push this turn. That small raise is AWFUL.

fallen 06-26-2006 07:26 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
Do you guys not thinks that you can call for 200 &amp; get away from the hand if you see a flop with 2 overs or something?
You still have 12 BB's &amp; stacks are quite similar so you can put pressure on later.
I'm not being a smart ass or anything. I'm still learning myself so this could be something I'm missing from my game.

Jigsaws 06-26-2006 07:29 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
Could I have some explanation for the instapush preflop? Had my stack been a bit lower, I would definitely have pushed. Or is my stack low enough to start pushing TT here?

Oh, and please do rub in how bad that turn raise was. I need to get rid of that once and for all...

oyvindgee 06-26-2006 07:33 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
Pushing preflop is as standard as it gets. A ton of dead money and a huge increase to your stack. As played, calling the flop is okay, but pushing the turn is mandatory.

aujoz 06-26-2006 07:47 PM

Re: $3s PS: Flopped top set. Slowplay?
 
I feel that the biggest leak low stakes players has is that they call too much, and are not agressive enough. given that, i hate slowplaying, and would rather be more agressive.

i guess the pre-flop is fine, but would not be unhappy with a push.

check-raise on flop. while you are playing against donks, a raise on the turn really indicates that it helped you - thus, that you can beat top pair.

on the other hand, a check-raise on the flop, while certainly indicating strength, could indicate a much wider range of hands.

who knows what these players call with. i'd rather bet strong, early and often, and be on the safe side.


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