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Yerma 01-17-2006 10:38 PM

Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
Last hand I'll post for tonite.

Party 0.5-1, nine-handed

Here are my notes on a couple of the players. (1st line are things I saw preflop, all-caps line are directives to myself on how to play against this player, all the rest are things I saw postflop)

UTG:
any 2 cards,cold calls (87o)
VALUE BET THIS MAN + CALL THIS MAN DOWN
flop calls w/1 overcard
calls down K-high
calls down Q-high multiway?!
river shots w/bp+nk if turn checked thru
flop stabber w/2nd pr +nk multiway on coordinated board
turn shots K-high into dry side pot

CO:
cold calls (JTo,A3o)

Here's the hand.

I have A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button.
UTG limps, EP limps. Two folds. LP limps, CO limps. I raise. The blinds fold. Everyone calls.

5 to the flop of J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.5 SB).
UTG bets. Everyone calls.

5 to the turn of K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.25 BB)
Checked to CO who bets. What do you do?

tyler_cracker 01-17-2006 10:46 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
Raise. The pot is pretty big, and there are a variety of hands you'd like to see fold. Even if you are behind, you have outs.

Edit: P.S. nice read on UTG.

ChuckyB 01-17-2006 10:46 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
7 outs if the hearts are dirty. From your read it doesn't sound like the blind will check-raise. Easy call.

Yerma 01-18-2006 03:25 PM

Results
 
UTG had T7o. CO had KJo. I thought I had 3 outs, maybe to a chop. So I folded.

Any comments on the flop "just call"?

Genesis 01-18-2006 03:38 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
I like the flop call. Raise any safe turn card.
After the turn bet by CO you have to at least call. You're getting 9.25-to-1 and have the Qs as outs and maybe the Aces and Js. I would call.
River, if unimproved we can probably fold to COs bet but we'll have to see the action.

VickreyAuction 01-18-2006 04:00 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
Why not raise the flop? You have TPTK in a multiway pot and you have everyone trapped.

TommyChong 01-18-2006 04:11 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
Grunch

I RR the flop. You have the best hand the majority of the time. If CO still bets the turn w/ the K I still would call. Any non heart Q gives you the nuts and a A or J will likely win it for you too. If you are unimporoved on the river fold to a bet.

Genesis 01-18-2006 04:24 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why not raise the flop? You have TPTK in a multiway pot and you have everyone trapped.

[/ QUOTE ]
You know, I'm trying to remember my reasoning and I think it has to do with the equity swing that could take place on the next card. 1/3 of the deck is bad for us (any heart, any T, Q or K). When a blank falls on the turn we will have a lot more equity and raising there will benefit us more than it will on the flop.

tassie 01-18-2006 06:51 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
grunch.

I would fold. You have few outs and players to act behind you.

RyanC 01-18-2006 07:17 PM

Re: Flopped top pair in a multiway hand...
 
Raise the flop. Hopefully it is check to you on the turn, but since your at party you probably arent going to have that luxury.


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