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Durer 01-17-2006 08:22 PM

4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
100$ nl on party, 13 people left, blinds 500-1000, 7 handed

i am utg+1 with 66 and i have 11000,

utg folds, i fold,call,raise(to what?call, fold to a push?) or push

i pushed thinking that a raise would leave me with 8000 if i would have to fold pre or postflop and 1500 in blinds coming my way soon, and i maybe got get some better hands to fold like 77 and 88 and maybe more.. but if i am called it is most certainly against higher pocket or AK and that risk reward ratio i donīt like either as 1500 doesnt do that much more to my chances to win. Thoughts?

$hort$tacked 01-17-2006 08:30 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
This depends on the other stacks at your table, when blinds go up, and payout structure. I think a stop and go might work here. Call pre-flop then push any flop.

Durer 01-17-2006 08:37 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
avg is about 15-16k with the usual mix of bigstacks and short stacks with the big ones at 20-40k and the shorties on 6-7k. Seeing another orbit isnt really a problem for me here as i am comfortable playing my short stack. I really dont understand your answer, should i limp and push 10k into a 3-5k pot independant of what hits? that sounds awful. Altough the limp preflop maybe a good idea as it can look pretty strong

Chrisman886 01-17-2006 08:43 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
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This depends on the other stacks at your table, when blinds go up, and payout structure. I think a stop and go might work here. Call pre-flop then push any flop.

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Its really amazing how many people don't understand what a stop an go is. How about a definition to clear up all these misconceptions:

Stop-and-go (sthttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g...GIF/obreve.gifphttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g.../GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g.../GIF/schwa.gifnd-ghttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g.../GIF/omacr.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g.../GIF/prime.gif) -- adjective -- An all-in move on the flop that constitutes cold-calling a pre-flop raise out of position.


Also, I don't know what I do here cause I don't know stack sizes.

Str8 Baller 01-17-2006 08:51 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
I would fold. With an M of about 7 and an effective M of about 5, I would just let it go, but it is a very borderline and could go either way. I would push this sometimes depending on my read of the table. If there was one less person on the table I would push since your effective M would be lower than 5.

Durer 01-17-2006 10:26 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
Maybe i should finish my HoH part 2 so i can get together these M:s and Q:s hehe

Str8 Baller 01-17-2006 10:54 PM

Re: 4 options on final table bubble and they all suck
 
Do it. I loved them. HoH made short stack play pretty easy for me. M is pretty important and will be something you will have to figure out a lot when the blinds get big in comparison to your stack.


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