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00Snitch 06-05-2006 07:06 AM

Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
Sorry in advance, im a bit of a hand converter noob...

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with :js :ks
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: :2h :jh :6c (12.6SB, 4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: :4c (8.3BB, 4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: :kh (12.3BB, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.3BB

Fantam 06-05-2006 07:21 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
WA/WB usually applies to heads up situations.

I would raise the flop. If SB 3-bets, then the 2 players inbetween you either have to call 2 bets cold or fold.

If SB just calls, then you will be getting an overlay from the 2 players inbetween if they also call, while you probably have the best hand.

Hielko 06-05-2006 07:28 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
This is no WA/WB. WA means that when you are ahead the other person doesn't have more then 3/4 outs, or when you are behind the other person doesn't have more then 3/4 outs. You have 3 opponents here on a 2 suited flop, you need to protect your hand! RAISE

00Snitch 06-05-2006 07:32 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
great. thanks for the replys. should have raised. because when i am ahead im not way ahead, so i need to protect.

Fadook 06-05-2006 09:29 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
You're last to act, a raise can only be for protection if SB 3-bets. Once guys have put money in on the flop, they don't fold for one more bet at this level. Raising is still correct I think, but it's for value.

bennyk 06-05-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
WA/WB is usually most effective when you and your opponent have shown strength preflop, and the pot is heads-up. You can narrow down the opponent's range because of the preflop action.

MrWookie 06-05-2006 11:09 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
[ QUOTE ]
This is no WA/WB. WA means that when you are ahead the other person doesn't have more then 3/4 outs, or when you are behind the other person doesn't have more then 3/4 outs. You have 3 opponents here on a 2 suited flop, you need to protect your hand! RAISE

[/ QUOTE ]

Raising will not protect your hand at any point here, although this is a spot where you should at least consider waiting for the turn to raise. Do you see why?

milesdyson 06-05-2006 11:17 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
if BB IS A ROCK, WAIT!

Hielko 06-05-2006 11:42 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
Yeah, I didn't look at the position of hero when making my statement about protection.

Bonesy 06-05-2006 11:44 AM

Re: Is this a good time for WA/WB or should i pop the flop?
 
You have to raise this on the flop or turn. I would raise the flop. The only real draw out there is to the flush. You can't protect this hand given your position relative to the SB.


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