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pethie 05-23-2006 03:42 AM

5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
Haven't seen villain before. He's like 22/7/x after about 30 hands. Preflop is meh, I decided to take a flop.

I lead with my overcard + gutshot. He probably has an overpair of some sort, but I have outs + I can bluff the flush. His turnbet is very weak. Sure he could have made the flush, but...

Standard shove?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($985)
SB ($1309)
Hero ($1000)
UTG ($902)
MP ($1014)
CO ($478.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($65) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $125</font>, Hero calls $80.

Turn: ($315) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $125</font>, Hero calls $845 (All-In)

edge 05-23-2006 05:06 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
Looks ok, but I don't often do this kind of thing out of position.

creedofhubris 05-23-2006 07:07 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
Would you really just instapush with the flush on the turn?

A raise to $400 is just as scary as a push, and then you can FOLD if he pushes because no you don't have outs.

Belphegor 05-23-2006 07:18 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
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A raise to $400 is just as scary as a push, and then you can FOLD if he pushes because no you don't have outs.

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Do you think an opponent in general would lay down a set here?
(My thinking is he calls &gt;65%

When this is the play you're check folding river?

adsanman12 05-23-2006 07:20 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
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A raise to $400 is just as scary as a push, and then you can FOLD if he pushes because no you don't have outs.

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Do you think an opponent in general would lay down a set here?
(My thinking is he calls &gt;65%

When this is the play you're check folding river?

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bluffing sets is -ev.

Marnixvdb 05-23-2006 07:24 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
Belphegor: a set isnt folding anyway

Pethie: the title of your post says a lot. If you have a flush you dont want him to lay it down, so he probably doesnt think you'd play it that fast. He will still lay down a lot of pairs though. Since he is so tight I'm not sure if het folds enough to make your play profitable.

A lot depende on your image as well.

creedofhubris 05-23-2006 07:26 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
[ QUOTE ]
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A raise to $400 is just as scary as a push, and then you can FOLD if he pushes because no you don't have outs.

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Do you think an opponent in general would lay down a set here?
(My thinking is he calls &gt;65%

When this is the play you're check folding river?

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He probably won't fold a set to either bet. The question is whether the 2x as big allin raise is 2x as likely to make him fold, and I don't think it is.

Besides, now you can allin bluff push a diamond river as well as your miracle straight out.

TStoneMBD 05-23-2006 08:26 AM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
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A raise to $400 is just as scary as a push

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i agree. save yourself $445 next time. +++++++ev

pethie 05-23-2006 12:38 PM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
Yea you're probably right. His bet looked so weak that I couldnt get the slider to the right fast enough.

I would hate to raise to ~450 and fold to his push with two black kings or something. He doesn't have a full stack.

He thought for a while and called with QdQx. The river was a beautiful black 4 and MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

MDMA 05-23-2006 12:40 PM

Re: 5/10: I have the flush! Lay it down.
 
I have one tip for you, fold to the flop raise!


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