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Chaostracize 05-17-2006 02:46 PM

Spewtasm?
 
No reads. I'd been playing tight. Villain is multitabler.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

BB ($1254.25)
UTG ($1068.25)
UTG+1 ($339)
UTG+2 ($251)
MP1 ($1028)
MP2 ($965)
MP3 ($1046.75)
CO ($1331.44)
Hero ($1121)
SB ($1169.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, UTG+1 calls $10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $10, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $50, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($155) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $125</font>, BB calls $125.

Turn: ($405) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($405) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $400</font>...

franchise99 05-17-2006 03:19 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
Don't see how this preflop play can be profitable unless you have a very tight image/opponents are folding too much pre flop.

I think bet on turn is more likely to get a fold than river bet. Would you check with AQ or better on turn? If not, I think you should pot turn and then shut down if called.

Poker_Hoar 05-17-2006 03:21 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
I would have bet half the pot on flop, and much more on turn. If he calls or raises turn then I am not going to win this bluff often enough to warrant the final shot.

05-17-2006 03:23 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
The turn was the time to bluff. Not the river.

AZK 05-17-2006 03:33 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
stop bluffing on the river start bluffing on the turn.

MDMA 05-17-2006 04:32 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
This line would only make sense if you have the image of a real passive nit, never using A as bluffcard on turn and too scared of a checkraise/bloating the pot when he DOES have the A on turn, and even then those guys still don't make a fullpot bet on river.

Since I assume this doesn't really fit you, bet the turn instead [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Chaostracize 05-17-2006 06:04 PM

Results
 
Villain looked a lot like QQ here. I don't think TT calls the flop bet. And I think AK/AJ bet out on the turn and definitely don't CC turn then check river. I got lucky this time anyway. Counted down and folded.

JMa 05-17-2006 06:06 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
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stop bluffing on the river start bluffing on the turn.

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KRANTZ 05-17-2006 06:34 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
Everyone saying to bet the turn - you would bet the turn when you actually held an ace? You wouldn't check behind to snap off a bluff/value bet? Because if you actually hold an ace, betting the turn is pretty bad - so OP's line makes sense.

Not that I'm saying you won't get looked up by KQ, but I think it's a decent bluff in most cases.

JaBlue 05-17-2006 06:49 PM

Re: Spewtasm?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Everyone saying to bet the turn - you would bet the turn when you actually held an ace? You wouldn't check behind to snap off a bluff/value bet? Because if you actually hold an ace, betting the turn is pretty bad - so OP's line makes sense.

Not that I'm saying you won't get looked up by KQ, but I think it's a decent bluff in most cases.

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I'm betting the turn if I hold an ace. I'm not letting a free one slide on AKJx board. If called I can check behind when the river blanks and I only have one pair


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