10/20 A Bit Deep
 

Villian is a typical multitable tag 22/9, he probably views me as the same. This is the 2nd or 3rd time he has 3 bet me out of the blinds. He always pots flop after raising preflop.
No comments needed on the questionable preflop call-I was fairly certain that the other player (loose preflop) would call as well plus I had position and were a little deep.

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<font color="#C00000">Hero ($5798.41)</font>
MP2 ($2033.50)
MP3 ($3558)
CO ($430)
Button ($1980)
SB ($3260.91)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($3284.30)</font>
UTG ($622)
UTG+1 ($1990)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, MP2 calls $70, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $235</font>, Hero calls $185, MP2 calls $185.

Flop: ($775) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $772</font>,

Hero:
1)folds
2)calls
3)minibet
4)push

Part 2: What hand range can villian call a raise/push with?

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

this has to be the easiest push ever...

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

From the way it plays out, its almost certain he has an overpair.

So lets look at it from a mathematical view. Lets assume that any flush/two pair/trips will win this pot. You have a total of 15 outs. So you have approximately a 30% chance of making your hand on the next card, but only have 2 to 1 odds unless the other guy calls.

So it looks like a fold to me, unless you want to push him off the hand, which doesn't look so good here.

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

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From the way it plays out, its almost certain he has an overpair.

So lets look at it from a mathematical view. Lets assume that any flush/two pair/trips will win this pot. You have a total of 15 outs. So you have approximately a 30% chance of making your hand on the next card, but only have 2 to 1 odds unless the other guy calls.

So it looks like a fold to me, unless you want to push him off the hand, which doesn't look so good here.

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holy sh!t

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

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From the way it plays out, its almost certain he has an overpair.

So lets look at it from a mathematical view. Lets assume that any flush/two pair/trips will win this pot. You have a total of 15 outs. So you have approximately a 30% chance of making your hand on the next card, but only have 2 to 1 odds unless the other guy calls.

So it looks like a fold to me, unless you want to push him off the hand, which doesn't look so good here.

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I play SSNL, but even I know 15 outs is a 0.85:1 shot (~54% to win). Push.

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

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From the way it plays out, its almost certain he has an overpair.

So lets look at it from a mathematical view. Lets assume that any flush/two pair/trips will win this pot. You have a total of 15 outs. So you have approximately a 30% chance of making your hand on the next card, but only have 2 to 1 odds unless the other guy calls.

So it looks like a fold to me, unless you want to push him off the hand, which doesn't look so good here.

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gimmick account?

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

Why are you calling if your not pushing a flop like this?

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

I push here quick. You're about even money to overpair, slight dog if he has heart, slight fav if not.

On turn, things get much trickier for you. Also, a push here is just a pot sized raise. You're betting 3k to win 6500 pot in which you have about 3250 equity. Add to that your f/e, i think raise is only option.

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

i'd usually push here
an alternative is to make it like 1800 or something, cuz that looks scarier
also in that case you have position so you could check behind if you don't improve on the turn minimizing losses

Re: 10/20 A Bit Deep
 

I put fold/call as an option but I think folding is bad and calling is really bad.

I intended to hear thoughts on either pushing
or the dreaded miniraise

If you are villian what hands can/should you call with
either raise