200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $134.42
CO: $63.55
Button: $106.65
SB: $99.50
BB: $34.80

Nothing goofy has happened at this table yet and I'm multitabling so no strong reads. Button seemed to have been playing fairly LAGgy although I hadn't noticed anything too out-of-line.

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $1</font>, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.25, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks ...

Normally I'd bet here, but I had bet my last two flopped sets at this table into the PFR and everyone folded. So I decided to check and let Button do his thing.

... <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $6</font>, Hero ... ?

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

I put in a real reraise and then re-evaluate.

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

excellent table selection

Please please please lead the flop.

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Normally I'd bet here, but I had bet my last two flopped sets at this table into the PFR and everyone folded

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This is results oriented--&gt; please stop thinking like this.

I'd reraise to 20, call a push from the button but fold to a push from the BB.

Also, I like a raise pf, but limping utg isn't terrible.

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

Well I think a PSR is in order.

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

hero calls

we may have more callers behind who are drawing and it increases our pot odds here. i dont normally advocate doing this but i cant see a raise here which will push out worse hands and only have hands that beat us call with the exception of top 2. so i advocate calling hitting your boat/quads and stacking the flopped nut

this is why we bet on draw heavy boards when we flop something. it makes our decisions much easier

i call any further weak aggression on the turn and release unimproved to PSBing aggression

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

That's a super draw heavy flop and you have bottom set, bet out on the flop, do you want to let everyone draw out on you for free?

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

spewy?????. what hand is actually folding that we beat. top 2 is the only hand that calls here which we are ahead of. unless the table is real bad and someone wants to go broke with TP. i still think that my line of a call may be in order here because of the retarded action behind us

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

machine-

i think CO has air, maybe a FD. I think button has an overpair or a FD with overs. I think BB has a wide range of hands, from those that kill us (44,77, 56) to those we kill (88+). Also, because it was just a minraise pf, he could potentially have rando 2 pair cards like 74, 73, and 43.

At least one of our opponents is likely to be drawing, and our hand is likely to be best, so we can't just call here. If we raise to 20 and BB pushes... now we're in a conundrum. However, I think we stack button a lot here if we raise and BB folds. However... it'd be much easier to do if we led the flop.

Also, if it becomes a situation where all four of you are getting it in... get it in. I think i take my chances with higher sets for the chance to quadruple up.

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

Machine - Here's my thinking

CO could have anything
Button could be C-betting, betting overpairs, betting overs + FD
SB could be Ch-MiniRaising with a set, a straight, a combo draw (pair+fd/sd), overpair

I think we need to consider are relative position in the hand.

Re: 200BB deep, bottom set, ugly action
 

I think you need to seriously consider potting here, which means 25.75 or some number near that. You are prolly ahead here, but the thing you need to realize is that you likely have no redraws here vs a made flush. Might even be drawing to 2 outs already... i wouldnt be so scared if it was just you vs the button, cause you prolly have him beat (his pf raise sucked, and his flop bet isnt very convincing) but the BB woke up with something cause he got to play for free.