The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

I hate it when I am sitting with JJ or QQ and get miniraised by a seemingly solid player. What do you think, just keep calling?, push? fold?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1460)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1570)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1570)
Hero (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t60</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t180</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t300</font>, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t690) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

Turn: (t1090) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets t350</font>, Hero calls t350

River: (t1710) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO pushes

Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has Jd, Js (a pair of Jacks)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">CO has Ad, Ac (a pair of Aces)</font>

Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

Looks good. I don't know if I like the reraise preflop out of position. The pot will likely be 2 players anyway. The rest seems fine though.

Ryan

Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

WTF is up with his river check? Talk about a non-scary board. What a weirdo. If you're that afraid of sets it's gonna cost you a bundle.

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Works

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hmm, guess I should have edited the hand to make the villian more aggressive post flop. Anyone folding if he bets bigger on flop and turn and pushing on river?

Say he bets 200 on flop, 350 on turn

Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

Ok, I changed my post, Im going down with this ship by the way. I would probably check, the turn then push his raise all in.

Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

Just read the results. This is precisely how BAD players play AA or air. Not really sure here if theres a better way to play with the villains raises and this board. Choosing to not raise PF would keep the pot/bets smaller and may allow you to fold on the river to a shove.

Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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What you fail to notice, is that people are playing flush draws this way enough to justify this play. Sure, you'll be up against aces once in a while, but that's poker. If you fold every time you win nothing.

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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What you fail to notice, is that people are playing flush draws this way enough to justify this play. Sure, you'll be up against aces once in a while, but that's poker. If you fold every time you win nothing.

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What hands worse than JJ is the villian re-rerasing preflop with?

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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What you fail to notice, is that people are playing flush draws this way enough to justify this play. Sure, you'll be up against aces once in a while, but that's poker. If you fold every time you win nothing.

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What hands worse than JJ is the villian re-rerasing preflop with?

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oh...AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, 10 10......I won't continue, I think you get the idea...

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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What you fail to notice, is that people are playing flush draws this way enough to justify this play. Sure, you'll be up against aces once in a while, but that's poker. If you fold every time you win nothing.

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What hands worse than JJ is the villian re-rerasing preflop with?

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oh...AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, 10 10......I won't continue, I think you get the idea...

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If you think an unkown Villian's at $225 are raising that wide. Please tell me where I can find these sng's.

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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I take it back...THIS is the most obvious preflop push of all time! Why are you retards suddendly going weak? An overpair is good enough most of the time to never justify a fold....ever!

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Do you think villian has 99 or tt here often?

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What you fail to notice, is that people are playing flush draws this way enough to justify this play. Sure, you'll be up against aces once in a while, but that's poker. If you fold every time you win nothing.

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What hands worse than JJ is the villian re-rerasing preflop with?

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oh...AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, 10 10......I won't continue, I think you get the idea...

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If you think an unkown Villian's at $225 are raising that wide. Please tell me where I can find these sng's.

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Re: The old minireraise: 225, get away from JJ?
 

If only we could ban IP's

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If only we could ban IP's

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Yep, morons like you could never come back.

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I just call the original open. Once he reraises I am playing pretty much for set value. Unfortunately he makes weak enough flop and turn bets that you can call. If he bet 300+ on the flop I fold. If he bets 500+ on the turn I fold.

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The point of him making weak flop leads is to get money in the pot. The small amount on two streets right away should dictate value bet and the hero basically came right along with what the villan wanted.

Hero should just call the open preflop and play poker.
The problem with calling the small flop bet is what to do facing a "small" turn bet. At this point almost 50% of your stack is in on a very marginal hand where the river is not getting checked beind very often. Calling the flop isn't THAT bad but calling the turn and river is pretty terrible

As the hand played out preflop lead flop, fold isn't bad IMO.