10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

the game is going playing pretty standard for 10/20.

big blind is schnie23 who from what i've seen so far is a solid laggy regular.

button is tightish, 20/10 preflop stats. and not very aggressive at all.

utg folds. i raise to 65 with AA. button calls. big blind calls.

flop: Q 8 6 rainbow

big blind checks, i bet 175 into a pot of 205. button calls. big blind raises to 725. now what?

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

that is a hefty checkraise, looks good for pushing.....

only thing you're worried about is 66/88, would he 3bet QQ?

Looks like I'm pushing this all day long if I don't have info on what this ckraise this thick means

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

from your description its a push...

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

fold

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

I would say fold, i think you are beat way more often than not. I'd say your about 60/40 to beat the big blind, but what do you think button who you described as tight could have called with pf and just called the flop that you can beat? He might have AQ, but if so that makes it less likely that you beat anything but a pure bluff from bb.

Also, how deep are the stacks? Since if you do decide to play it it will obviously be for stacks.

stack sizes
 

big blind has 2k, i have 2k, and button has 1.5k

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

Stacks? Would he smooth-call with KK pre-flop?

If effective stack is 2k I would fold. I think calling is better than all-in though even though you would be laying something like 2.5 to 1. Why give him a chance to lay-down anything you are actually ahead of plus board is drawless.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

This is a pretty easy fold.....

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i folded, but i'm not sure how easy it is.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

He wants to get all the money in, which means he isn't afraid of TPTK. The only hands you might beat are AQ and KK, but he would 3bet both I think. Get out.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

if this an easy fold, then you should make this play out of the big blind with any two?

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He wants to get all the money in

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or he is squeezing me

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He wants to get all the money in

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or he is squeezing me

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Sure, it's possible. As long as we agree that he's either bluffing or has you beat bad. (Or possibly AQ) I don't think he's bluffing often enough here.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

misread action thoguht the button folded

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Wow I really disagree here. This is an easy push. Why would schnie23 raise so much on this board with a set? That is really all that beats you. If he had raised to 450-500 then I might be a little worried, but still would have pushed.

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Don't forget the button.

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if this an easy fold, then you should make this play out of the big blind with any two?

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Occassionaly go ahead, especially if you have a hand like A8, and opponents are playing very aggressive. However, with button calling I don't think just any 2, anymore often than rarely here can be +EV.

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thanks I did misread the action.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

vs schnie23 insta fold

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

fold quick. You raise pf, bet flop: one caller, then tight player c/r on dry board. You're behind.

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fold quick. You raise pf, bet flop: one caller, then tight player c/r on dry board. You're behind.

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he is not tight.

this hand depends on your table image.

i had him 4-betting pre and calling AI pre w/ AT the other night

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

Two very very important factors in your decision:

(1) what is your image? will schnie think you can make the flop bet with AK? TT?

(2) stack depths

If you provide info on that, I'll tell you what I think is best ...

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

I don't think you have to worry about the button too much here.

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(1) what is your image?

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my image is laggish but nothing too out of line.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

If he is a solid laggy regular, his range should be 57/79, 86, Q8, 66, 88... I highly, highly doubt he has any random queen; then he will be getting himself in trouble out of position with just top pair. In my mind he would much rather get himself in trouble with 9 or 7 high in this situation than just a weak top pair... Though to be honest, I can't understand a check raise with a OESD here because he would then be laying himself a really weird price to call a possible push. I actually don't like calling here; because I'm fairly certain a good LAG will shove almost any turn, assuming you still have 1300 left, enough to fold. In other words, only call if you think he will bluff the turn often enough without much of a hand that you are planning to call off any turn bet.

The size of his raise should be less important; a good LAG will want to make huge raises with draws as well as sets, so whoever took a set out of his hand is incorrect IMO.

Also, I do believe this is a pretty good spot to be bluffing because one LAG sees another LAG continuation bet, then a call from a tightish player (essentially free money), seems like a good spot to mix it up and bluff; especially if he thinks you capable of laying down a good hand.

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

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LOL at the replies, looks like the HSNL 'experts' are most results oriented morons on earth
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post2954461

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Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

I would fold putting him on Q8s or 86s

Re: 10/20 party 6max -- AA on a dry board
 

wacko, because the flop is drawless, it is much less likely that your opponent is raising with a draw or pair+draw hand. that coupled with your decent image leans me towards a fold here. this is of course somewhat opponent specific: if he is the type to overplay a queen, go ahead and get it in now.