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mrmajesty 04-26-2006 06:43 PM

Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Stu Ungar. 3 WSOP championships. 3 Super bowl of poker championships. No other player won both events once. Won 10 out of 30 poker tournaments he entered. WSOP main event was only the second NL holdem tournament he ever entered and he won it. He shoulda won 4 but was too intoxicated to show up for the last day of play. Went 16 years inbetween victories. He was the perfect combination of genious and crazy no respect for money gambler. The perfect combo.

Banks2334 04-26-2006 06:47 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
<Yawn>

bikeattack 04-26-2006 06:56 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
my thoughts exactly, who hasn't heard this story before.

CaseS87 04-26-2006 06:57 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
why do you think you have any idea who is the best poker player ever?

runout_mick 04-26-2006 07:01 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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genious

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This post is sheer genious...

Fabian 04-26-2006 07:02 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
The question is did he make $20,000 per month?

smoothraise 04-26-2006 07:08 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
For lunch I decided to make a pb & j sandwhich. Had a tough choice on type of jelly, either strawberry or grape. Eventually I decided on the classic grape. It was the first pb & j I had had in 5+ years. It was wonderful.

Prodigy54321 04-26-2006 07:11 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
I could go for some tacos right now

Case Closed 04-26-2006 07:17 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
http://photos-731.facebook.com/image...3731_12458.jpg

CaseS87 04-26-2006 07:34 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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For lunch I decided to make a pb & j sandwhich. Had a tough choice on type of jelly, either strawberry or grape. Eventually I decided on the classic grape. It was the first pb & j I had had in 5+ years. It was wonderful.

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what was your beverage of choice?

smoothraise 04-26-2006 08:24 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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For lunch I decided to make a pb & j sandwhich. Had a tough choice on type of jelly, either strawberry or grape. Eventually I decided on the classic grape. It was the first pb & j I had had in 5+ years. It was wonderful.

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what was your beverage of choice?

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Coke. I also had a glass of ice water as well.

MasterLJ 04-26-2006 08:26 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Havarti is the best cheese, period.

CaseS87 04-26-2006 08:53 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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For lunch I decided to make a pb & j sandwhich. Had a tough choice on type of jelly, either strawberry or grape. Eventually I decided on the classic grape. It was the first pb & j I had had in 5+ years. It was wonderful.

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what was your beverage of choice?

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Coke. I also had a glass of ice water as well.

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i just made a pb&j because i was inspired by your post. (seriously)

mrmajesty 04-26-2006 09:24 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
I was just venting cause some writer was saying Dan Herrington and phil hellmmout and other fools were better

mikever 04-27-2006 12:21 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
They are. They won't die broke.

mikever 04-27-2006 12:22 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
I like milk with PB&J

SmackinYaUp 04-27-2006 01:42 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Today I was going to make a turkey sandwich but when I got the meat out, it looked a little funny and then I realized that it was three weeks old. Instead of putting the unused country-style potato bread back into the package, I just threw it into the trash. I ended up eating a beef enchilada and a chicken enchilada from Taco Shop.

tom10167 04-27-2006 01:54 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Word.

We had swordfish and cooked vegetables over pasta. I got some Gatorade, 1.5 gallons to be exact. I didn't drink it all at once.

MikeGuz 04-27-2006 08:03 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Stu was a degenerate drug addict, made many many mistakes in his life and died very young, he was tied into the "wrong people". There is a lot of speculation that there was cheating where he was concerned - personally I don't want to think that is true. He may have been the best ever but what does "best" mean. I just don't know.

CaseS87 04-27-2006 09:24 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
to unhijack the thread a little, barry greenstein has a good section on the "best poker player in the world" in ace on the river.

edge 04-27-2006 09:39 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
i think it is antonio esfandiari or however his name is spelled

he is pretty 1.4

The DaveR 04-27-2006 10:11 AM

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lozen 04-27-2006 10:22 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
The guys dead and died young abusing alchohol and drugs.
He is a looser and not great.

cjm8301 04-27-2006 11:25 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
I have to agree that I would say Stu Ungar needs to be strongly considered. All these people trashing him for his drug use and bad money management are missing the point. Ungar was a so smart at the poker table, because he could portray an image as being a loose cannon (although he often was) but he controlled the table and he knew what he was doing. A big reason why he died broke came from other gambling endeavers, not bad poker play.

Jihad 04-27-2006 11:28 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
What an excellent question. Should be easy to answer due to all the empirical evidence out there.

Zetack 04-27-2006 06:02 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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Stu Ungar. 3 WSOP championships. 3 Super bowl of poker championships. No other player won both events once. Won 10 out of 30 poker tournaments he entered. WSOP main event was only the second NL holdem tournament he ever entered and he won it. He shoulda won 4 but was too intoxicated to show up for the last day of play. Went 16 years inbetween victories. He was the perfect combination of genious and crazy no respect for money gambler. The perfect combo.

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Maybe. Although I think longevity and consistency count for somthing and he had neither.

The 10 of 30 in tourneys is an astounding stat, if true. The problem is, although it's often repeated, nobody knows if its actually true. I suspect some hype there.

Also, reputedly, he was often a very poor cash game player. He was often strapped for cash and played desperately, he often played on drugs. When he was on drugs and strapped for cash he could be bullied around.

It's also been said that he can't get away from top pair.

I don't know, of course, I've never played with him, and I've only ever seen a few very short clips of him playing.

Those who seem to know say there is no question he was the world's best Gin player. As far as poker, I think the question is pretty open.

--Zetack

CerebralDamage 04-27-2006 08:15 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
I asked Howard Lederer this question once. He told me:
"Stu ungar was the best no limit tournament player ever"
"chip reese is the best cash game player ever"

If you really want an answer to this question, go to
barry greinstien's webpage and read his player analysis. He is actually qualified to make an educated guess.

CerebralDamage 04-27-2006 08:21 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
oops, i guess his web page is no more sorry.

CerebralDamage 04-27-2006 08:24 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
here is that link.

CerebralDamage 04-27-2006 08:26 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
for some reason my brain doesn't work.

It's barrygreenstein.com

Ray Zee 04-29-2006 12:08 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
most of the people saying who the best was, never even played or played very little with whom they chose. i have played with them all and i pick bill hickcock as i didnt play with him but the stories are good.

Banks2334 04-29-2006 12:11 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Ray,
Rumor has it you were there when Bill was shot. Trip report please.

FCBLComish 04-29-2006 09:08 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
In order, the greatest players are as follows:

1) ZeeJustin
2) ZeeJustin
3) ZeeJustin
4) ZeeJustin
5) GrannyMae

kitaristi0 04-29-2006 09:20 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Kathy Liebert

PJS 04-29-2006 10:09 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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Stu Ungar. 3 WSOP championships. 3 Super bowl of poker championships. No other player won both events once. Won 10 out of 30 poker tournaments he entered. WSOP main event was only the second NL holdem tournament he ever entered and he won it. He shoulda won 4 but was too intoxicated to show up for the last day of play. Went 16 years inbetween victories. He was the perfect combination of genious and crazy no respect for money gambler. The perfect combo.

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Maybe. Although I think longevity and consistency count for somthing and he had neither.

The 10 of 30 in tourneys is an astounding stat, if true. The problem is, although it's often repeated, nobody knows if its actually true. I suspect some hype there.

Also, reputedly, he was often a very poor cash game player. He was often strapped for cash and played desperately, he often played on drugs. When he was on drugs and strapped for cash he could be bullied around.

It's also been said that he can't get away from top pair.

I don't know, of course, I've never played with him, and I've only ever seen a few very short clips of him playing.

Those who seem to know say there is no question he was the world's best Gin player. As far as poker, I think the question is pretty open.

--Zetack

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It seems that when Stu was on drugs his game would fall apart. But I've read/heard many people say that when "Stuey was Stuey he was untouchable".

Your right about Gin; everyone agrees he was just amazing at this.

sirtimo 04-29-2006 12:08 PM

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I must say I agree...

PB&J sounds really good right now

URA Turkey 05-11-2006 03:54 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
i am and always will be

Jourdain 05-22-2006 11:36 AM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
Moss

Nietzsche 05-22-2006 12:40 PM

Re: Who was the greatest poker player ever?
 
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Stu Ungar. 3 WSOP championships. 3 Super bowl of poker championships. No other player won both events once. Won 10 out of 30 poker tournaments he entered. WSOP main event was only the second NL holdem tournament he ever entered and he won it. He shoulda won 4 but was too intoxicated to show up for the last day of play. Went 16 years inbetween victories. He was the perfect combination of genious and crazy no respect for money gambler. The perfect combo if you don't mind going broke over and over.

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FYP

FortFun 05-22-2006 02:22 PM

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I like milk with PB&J

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