Lack of known pros left in the WPT championship
 

In a tournament that is highly respected and played up as one of the tournaments pros are supposed to excell in, I am surprised at the lack of name pros on the leaderboard at this point.


James Van Alstyne - $4,235,000
Roland De Wolfe - $3,325,000
Carlos Zambrano - $2,985,000
Victor Ramdin - $2,685,000
Joseph Bartholdi - $2,350,000
Paul Wasicka - $2,245,000
Erica Schoenberg - $1,735,000
Simon Moussa - $1,695,000
Vanessa Rousso - $1,575,000
Cliff Josephy - $1,255,000
David Matthew- $1,200,000
Espen Saltnes - $1,130,000
Claus Nielson - $940,000
Gary Maresh - $905,000
Valentino Morella - $525,000
Chad Brown - $485,000
Patrik Antonius - $450,000
Men The Master Nguyen - $375,000
Surinder Sunar - $120,000

I've heard of James Van Alstyne, Victor Ramdin, Chad Brown, Patrik Antonius, Men The Master Nguyen, and Surinder Sunar, and some of those names, only in passing.

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who are these chumps?

oh yeah its a donkament

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Well, the top notch pros all bombed out yesterday so we are left with the donks.

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Yup, Doyle, Deeb, Hellmuth, Chan, Baxter, Hoff busted out yesterday.

I have no clue who these people are, except for Antonius and Sunar.

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The "pros" were donks before they got lucky. When one of these donks win, they will be on magazine covers, write books and articles, do interviews. This "donk" will become a "pro" before you know it. In six months time, you will have forgotten that he is really a donk. All it takes is one TV appearance.

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Yup, Doyle, Deeb, Hellmuth, Chan, Baxter, Hoff busted out yesterday.

I have no clue who these people are, except for Antonius and Sunar.

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http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...?a=r&n=184

i really suggest you take a look at this, arguably the most successful tournament player of all time

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Roland De Wolfe is pretty well known in England

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i really suggest you take a look at this, arguably the most corrupt tournament player of all time

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FYP

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Yup, Doyle, Deeb, Hellmuth, Chan, Baxter, Hoff busted out yesterday.

I have no clue who these people are, except for Antonius and Sunar.

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http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...?a=r&n=184

i really suggest you take a look at this, arguably the most successful tournament player of all time

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Men the Master is also arguably the most comprehensively discredited of all the well-known players in the game today.

He survived the alleged "tournament chips found in the hotel suite" incident, only because the game had so little media exposure at the time that it occured.

I have no doubt that if such an incident were to occur today, the player involved would be banned for life from all tournament play.

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You beat me to the punch cbloom!

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Yup, Doyle, Deeb, Hellmuth, Chan, Baxter, Hoff busted out yesterday.

I have no clue who these people are, except for Antonius and Sunar.

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http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...?a=r&n=184

i really suggest you take a look at this, arguably the most successful tournament player of all time

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Yes yes, sorry didn't saw his name listed

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I recognized about 1/2 the names at a glance, which seems about right for a tournament.
Just because they don't have a big TV appearance yet doesn't mean they aren't a known pro, after all.

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Yeah, I don't know what happened yesterday. Deeb, Hellmuth, Chan, David Williams, and Evelyn Ng all at the top of the board yesterday, and they all blew it.

Men the Master was Cardplayer PoY last year, so he's obviously a big name that everyone should know. Does anyone think he is cheating now? But in any case, he doesn't have enough chips to make the final table no matter how good he is.

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Men the Master is also arguably the most comprehensively discredited of all the well-known players in the game today.

He survived the alleged "tournament chips found in the hotel suite" incident, only because the game had so little media exposure at the time that it occured.

I have no doubt that if such an incident were to occur today, the player involved would be banned for life from all tournament play.

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Just out of curiousity was this the only record of his cheating in some way or were there other incidents in the past? If so, what where they?

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Just out of curiousity was this the only record of his cheating in some way or were there other incidents in the past? If so, what where they?

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He's widely suspected of using chip-dumping teams. I'm not sure what hard evidence there is if any, but it's pretty accepted that he has done so.

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Just out of curiousity was this the only record of his cheating in some way or were there other incidents in the past? If so, what where they?

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Somewhere deep in the RGP archives Negreanu called out MtM, if you search for it, I am sure you could find it.


From the link:
Daniel Negreanu;

"n 98', after I won a bracelet and had some money, both Men and I
put Nhut Tran into a limit hold'em event, each putting up half the
money. Down to three tables, Men had a moster stack, while Nhut only
had 4 small bets left. Men raised in 1st position, and everyone
folded to Nhut. Who then re-raised it to three bets. When the bet
came back to Men, he had to call one small bet, as well as one more
small bet to get Nhut all-in...he FOLDED! That alone is a cardinal
sin by any competent player, that should have been punished, but
wasn't. "

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In a tournament that is highly respected and played up as one of the tournaments pros are supposed to excell in, I am surprised at the lack of name pros on the leaderboard at this point.


James Van Alstyne - $4,235,000
Roland De Wolfe - $3,325,000
Carlos Zambrano - $2,985,000
Victor Ramdin - $2,685,000
Joseph Bartholdi - $2,350,000
Paul Wasicka - $2,245,000
Erica Schoenberg - $1,735,000
Simon Moussa - $1,695,000
Vanessa Rousso - $1,575,000
Cliff Josephy - $1,255,000
David Matthew- $1,200,000
Espen Saltnes - $1,130,000
Claus Nielson - $940,000
Gary Maresh - $905,000
Valentino Morella - $525,000
Chad Brown - $485,000
Patrik Antonius - $450,000
Men The Master Nguyen - $375,000
Surinder Sunar - $120,000



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Thats 8 out of 19 that are accomplished tourney pros. try again

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u forgot vanessa rousso..she has her own agent/manager...so she has to be an accomplished tourney pro

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u forgot vanessa rousso..she has her own agent/manager...so she has to be an accomplished tourney pro

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I go by # of tourneys cashed in and total earnings(easy enough). So no shes not there yet.

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And Carlos Zambrano who has managed to take time off from his busy schedule of pitching for the Chicago Cubs. WHAT A GUY!!!

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And Carlos Zambrano who has managed to take time off from his busy schedule of pitching for the Chicago Cubs. WHAT A GUY!!!

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frellin funny.

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There is a difference between an "accomplished" pro and a "known" pro. Most of the people on that list have been to a TV final table once. The only "known" pros left (Q rating wise) are Men and maybe Chad Brown.

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"frellin funny"

awesome.

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u forgot vanessa rousso..she has her own agent/manager...so she has to be an accomplished tourney pro

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I go by # of tourneys cashed in and total earnings(easy enough). So no shes not there yet.

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Your sarcasm detector needs some new batteries [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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James Van Alstyne - $4,235,000
Roland De Wolfe - $3,325,000
Carlos Zambrano - $2,985,000
Victor Ramdin - $2,685,000
Joseph Bartholdi - $2,350,000
Paul Wasicka - $2,245,000
Erica Schoenberg - $1,735,000
Simon Moussa - $1,695,000
Vanessa Rousso - $1,575,000
Cliff Josephy - $1,255,000
David Matthew- $1,200,000
Espen Saltnes - $1,130,000
Claus Nielson - $940,000
Gary Maresh - $905,000
Valentino Morella - $525,000
Chad Brown - $485,000
Patrik Antonius - $450,000
Men The Master Nguyen - $375,000
Surinder Sunar - $120,000


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Former Blackjack pro Erica Schoenberg already has two TV poker appearances (GSN's Young Bloods and Young Bloods II, both invitationals) and she already has an endorsement contract with Mansion Poker (those ads run on FSN during Speed Poker on Sunday nights.)

Why?

28 years old. Bleach blond. Babyface.

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Vanessa Rousso has also appeared on TV before, having been invited to play in on Episode 1 of "Calvin Ayre Wild Card Poker".

She too has already hired an agent and is looking for an endorsement contract (look for the likes of Bodog to pick her up if she were to make the WPT Final Table.)

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The online poker rooms are on the prowl for a photogenic female to replace Evelyn Ng, who hasn't done anything in a while after finishing 2nd at WPT Ladies Night 1. PokerStars dropped Ng about a month ago. Ng has been picked up by Bodog.

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I've heard of James Van Alstyne, Victor Ramdin, Chad Brown, Patrik Antonius, Men The Master Nguyen, and Surinder Sunar, and some of those names, only in passing.

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Just because they aren't FSN Who*es doesn't mean they aren't "known". Everyone who is a "known pro" sure as hell knows those names, and anyone who has followed poker for more than a year should as well.

I'm curious about your use of the word "lack". I don't know about you, but it makes me very happy to hear that the love is being spread around a bit, rather than always floating up to those top .1% aholes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Joe Bartholdi won a UPC event I believe and maybe a 1st or 2nd earlier this year in Tunica. I played some 75/150 with him, good player.

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I guess he realized he will need a supplemental income if he keeps pitching like this.

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Wasn't Bartholdi a one-time menber of Dutch Boyd's "crew"?

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gooooooooooooooooooooo baxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!

From pokerwire:

WPT Championship
No Limit Hold'em
Apr 23, 2006
18:58:22 EDT Cliff Josephy doubles through Claus Nielsen
Cliff Josephy got all in pre-flop against Claus Nielsen. The players showed:

Cliff Josephy [5][3]
Claus Nielsen [K][J]

The board came [J][4][2][A][7] giving Josephy a wheel to take the pot doubling his stack to about 400k.

edit:

nooooooooooooooooooo!

WPT Championship
No Limit Hold'em
Apr 23, 2006
19:21:18 EDT Espen Saltnes eliminates Cliff 'JohnnyBax' Josephy

bax finishes 12th, great job for your first (that I know of) WPT championship, take 'er down next year, and keep owning all the sites in the meantime.

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There are a whole bunch of great players you haven't seen on TV - TV I am sure is your only reference.

Known to WHO!

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James Van Alstyne - $4,235,000
Roland De Wolfe - $3,325,000
Carlos Zambrano - $2,985,000
Victor Ramdin - $2,685,000
Joseph Bartholdi - $2,350,000
Paul Wasicka - $2,245,000
Erica Schoenberg - $1,735,000
Simon Moussa - $1,695,000
Vanessa Rousso - $1,575,000
Cliff Josephy - $1,255,000
David Matthew- $1,200,000
Espen Saltnes - $1,130,000
Claus Nielson - $940,000
Gary Maresh - $905,000
Valentino Morella - $525,000
Chad Brown - $485,000
Patrik Antonius - $450,000
Men The Master Nguyen - $375,000
Surinder Sunar - $120,000


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Former Blackjack pro Erica Schoenberg already has two TV poker appearances (GSN's Young Bloods and Young Bloods II, both invitationals) and she already has an endorsement contract with Mansion Poker (those ads run on FSN during Speed Poker on Sunday nights.)

Why?

28 years old. Bleach blond. Babyface.

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Vanessa Rousso has also appeared on TV before, having been invited to play in on Episode 1 of "Calvin Ayre Wild Card Poker".

She too has already hired an agent and is looking for an endorsement contract (look for the likes of Bodog to pick her up if she were to make the WPT Final Table.)

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The online poker rooms are on the prowl for a photogenic female to replace Evelyn Ng, who hasn't done anything in a while after finishing 2nd at WPT Ladies Night 1. PokerStars dropped Ng about a month ago. Ng has been picked up by Bodog.

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yeah i find this unwarranted celebrity bs. the kournikova effect is huge in the poker world. since they are a small number of female poker players combined with a slight amount of attractiveness compounds their popularity. I mean friggin' Erin Ness has a contract with Pokerstars. If Kathy Liebert were hot, just imagine the $hit that would be going into her mouth. She could finally STFU for once.

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There is a difference between an "accomplished" pro and a "known" pro.

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Your right. BUT, i think there's also a difference between a "known" pro to the regular public and a "known" pro to most of the people on this board who follow and play poker extensively.

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u forgot vanessa rousso..she has her own agent/manager...so she has to be an accomplished tourney pro

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I go by # of tourneys cashed in and total earnings(easy enough). So no shes not there yet.

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Just packed a couple new ones in . thanks

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I'm reading these updates and it sounds like the tourney is just full of total douches. Too bad Antonius, Sunar, and Ramdin are gone.

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reading gutshot updates about Valentino's slowroll. He thought about calling himself all in with 15 min...Johnny Bax puts the clock on him..and then finally calls. He doesn't show his hand at first..but then finally shows AA. what a douche.

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Wasn't Bartholdi a one-time menber of Dutch Boyd's "crew"?

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yeah, and I think these 2 are still good friends and hang out. I know they were together in Tunica.

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haha ouch vanessa the hottie will not be seen on tv. she finished in 7th when she has AKs and lost to AJ when a jack hit on the turn. Oh well at least she still has an agent...and has a WPT "victory".

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Another great pay structure from the WPT!!



1 $3,760,165
2 $1,903,950
3 $1,025,205
4 $659,120
5 $439,375
6 $292,915

How would you like to play a HU match with 20bb stacks for 1.8million!

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reading gutshot updates about Valentino's slowroll. He thought about calling himself all in with 15 min...Johnny Bax puts the clock on him..and then finally calls. He doesn't show his hand at first..but then finally shows AA. what a douche.

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That's ridiculous... was the guy pissed at Bax or something? Hard to believe he'd do this for no reason.