\"careful, don\'t go broke now\"
 

bellagio 10-20. old guy directly to hero's right is making the game very live. he had like a 10k stack, lost all but 2k of it, but now has gotten back to about 10k, all within the past hour. he opens to 100 from ep, hero makes it 300 with JJ, hu to the flop which comes AJ3, all clubs. old guy checks, hero bets 500, old guy calls. turn is an os K, check, bet 1200, call. river an os 5, check, hero starts counting down his chips and bills, which total around 5k (old guy covers), when the old guy suddenly says, "careful, don't go broke now."

hero does what?

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push?

whats his range here? If he's making the game live wouldn't he 3bet preflop with AA/KK? flush? unless hes live enough to stick in with SC or something...

I'd push, especially after that comment.

(assuming push is about the size of pot)

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checks

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Normally I bet 1/2 pot here. With that comment I'd bet more.

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Bet 2900.

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Push.

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i've never played a live no limit game higher than 500 buy in. but that line says to me "i do not want to call your push with my marginal hand."

push.

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He probably has some 2 pair type hand, maybe AK with the king of suit and really doesnt want to fold. There is 4k in there right? Just make a normal bet of 2-3k, you dont want to lose him and blow him off 2 pair which he may fold to an allin.

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Seems way too obvious of a tell for a game that high. Never played that high live but usually when people give away OBVIOUS tells like that means the exact opposite. But if you were counting chips looking like you were going to raise and he had a strong hand and wanted you to do that then he would really have no motivation to say anything to induce the raise therefore I might have to second guess myself.

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i've never played a live no limit game higher than 500 buy in. but that line says to me "i do not want to call your push with my marginal hand."

push.

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So he doesn't want to call your push with a marginal hand but hero should push? What do you expect to get called by if that's your read? If you think his hand is marginal, shouldn't you advocate a medium-sized bet for value? Or by marginal do you mean higher set on a flush board and you're pushing as a bluff?

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I think he means push to get a call from a medium strength hand since villain is a fish given the description. At least, that's why I would push.

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pooooooooooooosh

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bet 4995 and tip the redbird to the dealer right away.

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Him saying that would scream to me "My hand is not that good!". Bet small, and force him to make a crying call w/top pair.

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Sorry, for the extra post! But I don't think pushing is correct. In my experiance he said that because he does not want you to bet. You must try and get maximum value here, and a bet about 1/3 of the pot might rope in top pair ok kicker.

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Does AJ or AK not call this since he's donktastic?

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AJ or AK might definatly call push... esp an aggressive player. The question is, do we really think he's that strong? Aggressive player will tend to push 2 pair even on suited boards at some point to see where they stand. AT or AQ look quite likely. We know one thing, he wants a show down, he doesn't say that otherwise, so it's not a busted flush draw.

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Aggressive player will tend to push 2 pair even on suited boards at some point to see where they stand.

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Awesome.

Regards,

Fin

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my vote is 2-3k range.

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push

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As others have said, he clearly wants a check or cheaper bet from hero. But a lot depends on how much of a calling station he is on the river with weak As or middle pair (or QQ here) which hero didn't specify despite saying he was "live". And all the advice here advocating a push really runs the risk of losing all action especially after that comment by the old guy. So it goes back to the rule of bet how much you think he would call, which can only be determined from his previous river calls, although as a default I would bet 1/3-1/2. I would only push here against players whom I thought held a stronger hand or would interpret that as a desparation move by QQ and be more likely to call with a weak A.

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I feel like this line means "I'll call your push, but I really don't want to have to," which makes it really dumb, because in his head, he's trying to discourage you from bluffing the missed flush and putting him to a big decision, which is not something he should do if he plans on calling.

I would push and then act however he might think you would act if you were bluffing. What I mean by that is somehow to give him a reason to doubt you, and he will.

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sounds like i need to say this the next time i check the nuts to an opponent in a big pot in a live game.

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sounds like i need to say this the next time i check the nuts to an opponent in a big pot in a live game.

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Ding.

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bet 4995 and tip the redbird to the dealer right away.

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Wow, i like this alot

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i've never played a live no limit game higher than 500 buy in. but that line says to me "i do not want to call your push with my marginal hand."

push.

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So he doesn't want to call your push with a marginal hand but hero should push? What do you expect to get called by if that's your read? If you think his hand is marginal, shouldn't you advocate a medium-sized bet for value? Or by marginal do you mean higher set on a flush board and you're pushing as a bluff?

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bet the pot or a little more than the pot

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Sounds like you do need to say that and check the nuts. If you have the nerve, and the guile to pull that move on a good player, hats off to you. You deserve to win a big pot.

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I would def. think I am good here and bet the most I think would be called in other words....pooooooooooosh

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bet 4995 and tip the redbird to the dealer right away.

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haha, nice

results
 

hero checked behind. old guy showed QcTx for the broadway straight.

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hero checked behind. old guy showed QcTx for the broadway straight.

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so you're image was tight enough that this guy was super scared of a flush.....Somehow, this doesn't suprise me...

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From the old guy's perspective, was he tryin to get hero to push? If your image is anywhere close to as tight as ahnuld is suggesting, it seems like the old guys play SHOULD be to get you to push. With AJ of clubs out there and him holding the Q of clubs, you don't have KQc, you don't have Axc so he would almost specifically have to put you on a preflop raise with T9c, which it doesn't really sounds like would be in your reraising range.

Knowing that you don't have the clubs and probably fear the flush, isn't it a better play on his part to lead out with a 1/2 to 3/4 pot bet on the river? It looks donkish, but you sure seem to like your hand and I think would be more apt to make a call then bet at the pot at this point.

Tell me if I'm way off, but I really feel that he misplayed this, unless his comment was designed to make you push, which from the responses, it seems like would have worked on a majority of players.

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hero checked behind. old guy showed QcTx for the broadway straight.

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Ew.

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hero checked behind. old guy showed QcTx for the broadway straight.

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everybody: OWNED

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AJ or AK might definatly call push... esp an aggressive player. The question is, do we really think he's that strong? Aggressive player will tend to push 2 pair even on suited boards at some point to see where they stand.

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I think pushing to see where you stand is one of the most underrated moves in nl hold'em

love you pizza

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lol

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people that are giving pizza a hard time are stupid.

obv he doesn't mean 'go allin' when he says push

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people that are giving pizza a hard time are stupid.

obv he doesn't mean 'go allin' when he says push

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No, I didn't mean move all in. When I said the aggressive player will push w/2 pair at some point I meant he will throw in a raise somewhere along the line. A push back, not a push all in.

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No, I didn't mean move all in. When I said the aggressive player will push w/2 pair at some point I meant he will throw in a raise somewhere along the line. A push back, not a push all in.

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intelligent people knew what you meant:)