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** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to James [ 6d 9s ]
RedDogDann folds.
newsketch raises [$200].
Sh00teR folds.
>You have options at West Whale (No DP) Table!.
greasemepls folds.
yazzifl folds.
James calls [$100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 2d, 8d ]
James checks.
newsketch bets [$100].
James calls [$100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
James checks.
newsketch bets [$200].
James raises [$400].
newsketch raises [$400].
James raises [$400].
newsketch calls [$200].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
James bets [$200].
newsketch folds.
James shows [ 6d, 9s ] three of a kind, twos.
James wins $2445 from the main pot with three of a kind, twos.

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Do you 3bet if he raises?

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"LOL"

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Do you 3bet if he raises?

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Of course not. Usually. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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seems like a standard 3 bet to me....

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
-James

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YOU > ME

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as i said at the table, very nice play!

by the way, i completely [censored] this hand up, i think i should have checked the turn, i wasnt playing well at all tonight as im sure you noticed

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there are like zero hands newhizzle should be 3betting on that turn and folding that riv bet. hence, i hate your turn cap.

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Why don't you go get a cabin in the backwaters of Lake Tahoe or something?

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by the way, i completely [censored] this hand up, i think i should have checked the turn, i wasnt playing well at all tonight as im sure you noticed

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nut flush draw, yes? this is why free showdown raises often end up biting you in the ass

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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because I felt like bluffing at the time and wanted to show 2p2 how awesome my "read" was. He knows I am capable of spewing and plays back at me with any piece of the board almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the 6 was due after missing with 69o so many times. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously SSCKM.
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fyp

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jk, nh

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Fold preflop.

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also, to add a little strategy, i don't like your turn c/r. with the deuce paired, he's got way too many hands that can 3-bet you safely. any overpair, 88, 55, A8, A2s. that also makes your cap a lot worse. on some boards, you KNOW he's 3-betting for a free showdown. that's because it's a lot scarier and you know there aren't a lot of hands that can 3-bet for value. here, there are a ton.

now maybe, against his overall range, you induce enough folds. the board is raggedy so he'll surely fire his KQ or QJ again and fold to a raise. but when someone checkraises me on the turn on this board and i have A high, i call down. i either have a wheel draw or 2 overs (A7 or A6 i might fold) so i have enough outs to justify me calling and then looking you up on the turn.

so you're really only going to fold out K high and worse. and really you could've done the same thing on the flop. i know sometimes you need to switch it up and do it on the turn, but i think this is a pretty good blind defense flop, especially since people have somewhat decent standards from the hijack. you might disagree with this part. it's easy for the button to play back. when i get cr on this flop i start thinking gutter, oesd, diamonds, air. but he'll still go away quietly with the K and Q high.

back to the turn, i really hate your cap. since there is a wide range of hands he could be 3-betting, him having diamonds (which IMO, he shouldn't have here unless it's not the nut flush draw) becomes small in comparison. you're giving 9-2 on your cap. i just don't see him folding enough

and on newhizzle's play, if he had the nut flush draw, then i HATE it. when i have a big draw with an A on the turn against an aggressive player who will often follow through on the river, i'm not trying to free showdown raise. there's no point. i won't gain an extra bet because he has no idea i'm on diamonds. i'll be able to raise anyway. the times he has 67 or 69 or diamonds himself, let him bluff. no sense in pushing him out. with the non-nut flush draw, it might be ok as a free showdow raise, but if you're only doing it to punish draw hands then you can just call down with K or Q high. it's unlikely he's checkraising with A or K high. and if you have a smaller flush draw like Td9d then i prefer waiting for the river to re-bluff raise. i want to see the card that comes off

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
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you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?

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pussy

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
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you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?

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Even an 8 tabler will be focusing on the hand enough after they bet the turn to be making a quick decision after the checkraise.

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
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you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?

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I do this a lot and I am often correct. It has to do with the size of the pot, ie he will pay attention.

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Why don't you go get a cabin in the backwaters of Lake Tahoe or something?

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OMG whats this from again

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
-James

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you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?

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Even an 8 tabler will be focusing on the hand enough after they bet the turn to be making a quick decision after the checkraise.

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i play 8 tables and i can tell you that's not true

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Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river
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I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river.

I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river.
-James

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you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?

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Even an 8 tabler will be focusing on the hand enough after they bet the turn to be making a quick decision after the checkraise.

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i play 8 tables and i can tell you that's not true

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Josh - what can I say? Newhizzle can tell you I am not making this play very often(obviously, or he would have called). After a zillion hands of online poker, sometimes you get a read and you go with it. I know he's a good player who is capable of strong moves(and detecting [censored]), and I know he also will respect a turn cap. I would never post this in the strategy forum because in a bubble, it's a bad play. At the time it happened, I knew I had better than the perceived 'odds' I would need to make a play like this. In high limit poker, this happens sometimes.
-James

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Josh - your analysis is way off.

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with the deuce paired, he's got way too many hands that can 3-bet you safely. any overpair, 88, 55, A8, A2s.

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Of course, this is a relatively small portion of his range though, no?

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so you're really only going to fold out K high and worse. and really you could've done the same thing on the flop. i know sometimes you need to switch it up and do it on the turn, but i think this is a pretty good blind defense flop, especially since people have somewhat decent standards from the hijack. you might disagree with this part. it's easy for the button to play back. when i get cr on this flop i start thinking gutter, oesd, diamonds, air. but he'll still go away quietly with the K and Q high.

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RE: opening standards from the hijack. We're talking 97s+, basically any ace, KTo+, Q9s+, etc. This is probably too tight - newsketch has a very broad opening range here. Check-raising the flop is the oldest play in the book. I do it sometimes, to mix it up, but it's seriously old. As far as Q high and K high going quietly into the night - you are probably folding way too much if you think so. This hand should probably be evidence of that.

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back to the turn, i really hate your cap. since there is a wide range of hands he could be 3-betting, him having diamonds (which IMO, he shouldn't have here unless it's not the nut flush draw) becomes small in comparison. you're giving 9-2 on your cap. i just don't see him folding enough

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He thinks I'm posturing, he can re-posture. It happens in high limit games. I don't recommend that random 2p2ers go out and start bluff-capping turns. Also note that I am getting 9-2 on my cap, and 1/10 times I make a straight that is almost definitely good. I don't expect people to like it, and it's not a play I make very often. It's a rare situation that comes up, but I take EV where I can get it.

-James

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interesting

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seems familiar

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum. Actually, the following comment is worse than those two combined, especially after everyone responded the way you knew they would respond:



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This hand is perfect imo... I don't know why I posted it because I don't want to defend myself. Sorry.


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lol at arrogance and douchebagginess of Kurosh

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Wow, I posted a hand where I made an awesome play. No one else ever does that. Then I apologized for posting it the wrong forum, man, I am such an arrogant douchebag.

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Wow, I posted a hand where I made an awesome play. No one else ever does that. Then I apologized for posting it the wrong forum, man, I am such an arrogant douchebag.

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QED

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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1) bored at work-->BBV
2) I'm not a not very good player, I'm a lousy player

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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1) bored at work-->BBV
2) I'm not a not very good player, I'm a lousy player

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If you are a lousy player, please reserve your bad analyses for players worse than you.
-James

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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1) bored at work-->BBV
2) I'm not a not very good player, I'm a lousy player

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If you are a lousy player, please reserve your bad analyses for players worse than you.
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Wow, you really can't take a joke.

My only serious comments in this thread were to Kurosh.

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he's take you more seriously if you sang your commentary

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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1) bored at work-->BBV
2) I'm not a not very good player, I'm a lousy player

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If you are a lousy player, please reserve your bad analyses for players worse than you.
-James

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Wow, you really are a huge douchebag.


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fyp

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Why don't you go get a cabin in the backwaters of Lake Tahoe or something?

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OMG whats this from again

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I'm pretty sure its from "the real life of james282" starring james282

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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Wow, someone is actually worse than BK, never thought id see the day, and i doubt on his worst day he would say something so rude. I dont think ive seen something so chesty and demeaning in a very long time, how unfortunate.

I dont care if it was the greatest hand of poker EVER played in the history of the universe, noone deserves to be talked down to that way, nor does the other person have any right to do so.

Its a forum, people are going to have opinions, you nor anyone else here is an all knowing god, dont act like one. If u dont want comments/opinions because you KNOW its perfect, then dont post it and "educate" those beneath you - your highness.

I just hope you werent totally serious in your tone, although it is hard to see otherwise.

- here comes the criticism

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I don't know what's worse...OP's hand or the fact that you posted a hand where you played terribly using a read noone else had in a strategy forum.


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Gildwulf - Pardon me if I don't take offense to the ravings of a guy who spends 4 hours a day posting in BBV. Players like you are supposed to think it's bad. That is to say, people who aren't very good players and can't think outside of their own little low limit grinding bubble.
-James

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1) bored at work-->BBV
2) I'm not a not very good player, I'm a lousy player

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If you are a lousy player, please reserve your bad analyses for players worse than you.
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You are terrible at this forum. Unless of course this post is the BBV equivalent of your river bet and you are about to show how awesome you are.

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James, wtf? I thought you always seemed pretty cool, why are you suddenly pulling this "stfu i play 3/6 you n00b low limit grinder" stuff?

Peachy, wow for once I actually agree with you.