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....but i am happy about it. i met this guy at a card room. he is a very nice guy. he is the horrible at poker. just horrible. i used to see him playing 30/60, but now i see him playing 6/12 and 4/8. a few months ago i bought SSH with the intention of giving it to him. after thnking more about it, i thought he may view that as condescending, so i decided not to give it to him. the book has been collecting dust. last week i saw him reading HPFAP. he said he borrowed it from someone. i told him i had a book for him that he should read. his eyes lit up. i brought it to the card room for him. he has been reading it and is very appreciative. i am a bad guy. but i feel good about it.

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Why?

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PokerBob,

If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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It's good for the karma. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It's bad for the game. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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What games do you usually play...? If you're regularly in the big games, I don't think it should be too much of a problem. Educating one nice guy can't be a problem anyway...

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Why?

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he is a nice guy. so am i.

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I think what you did is cool, but just because he has SSHE and HPFAP does not mean he is going to become a winning player. It will take work just to learn to lose less quickly.

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PokerBob,

If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously. You decided to help a nice guy - this is far more EV than letting him grind away and lose at low limits. A long time ago, a friend called me and told me about online poker. He noticed I was a terrible player, and sent me the starting hand chart from Lee Jones WLLHE. He eventually quit poker, and now I've invested a significant amount of money in a company he is starting.

A year after he did this for me, I sweated my friend Mike and 2p2er mikeyKay for a while at low limits. He grinded his way up, had some bad swings, and eventually won a 750k guaranteed on Party for 150k. I'd never have played if it weren't for my friend, and Mike probably wouldn't have succeeded without me. All three of our lives are significantly better because of it.

Player pools are so huge that not helping a nice fish 'because it will hurt the games' is a childish joke. I firmly believe I have significantly helped dozens of players, and those players have probably helped dozens more. The number on the bottom of my pokertracker continues to grow faster and faster - why shouldnt I help people again?
-James

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you said it really well

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I don't think this is a bad thing if you like the guy.
It doesn't all have to be THAT cut-throat. Especially due to the chances that you will ever see him in your games again anyway.


However, I think that anybody who actually wants to improve their poker should be able to find out about these books with very little problem so the fact that he apparently didn't know about them indicates that he possibly never even tried to find them.


Less than 1 month after starting to play I did a google search for 'poker strategy articles' and I somehow ended up on 2+2 (just from the 'poker strategy' part).

I had never heard of Sklansky (or Hellmuth or Brunson or anybody else for that matter) and had no idea that the guys who did this website had also written some books on poker-strategy.


I guess different people find out about this site and the books differently. But if you've been playing for a few years and never knew about 2+2 (or at least considered them) then that likely shows a good chance that you won't really work on it that hard anyway.

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously.

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i wouldnt have found out about twoplustwo at the time i had without the person who referred me here. it might have taken me a long long time to find out about this site if ever. before finding this site i had already read like 8 poker books and was trying hard to improve. there are also people who dont realize how much literature there is on poker strategy or how much money can be earned in poker if they dedicate themselves to it. should you tell a chessmaster about how profitable poker is or does it not matter anyway because if he is serious he would already be playing? in a nutshell i disagree entirely with what you said.

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"should you tell a chessmaster about how profitable poker is or does it not matter anyway because if he is serious he would already be playing?"


this is a decent point. As is the rest of your post.

I'm willing to concede that I may be way off regarding all this stuff.
It's possible I just got lucky in happening to find this place as quickly as I did.

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i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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FWIW, I wasnt going for any anology. Ive just been randomly asking people that question recently.


Also... you never confirmed in that other thread: marathon in November??

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I have no qualms helping good people, regardless of if it's -EV. My sense of self worth is worth more than the game of poker.

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Thanks for the book. I'll give it a read sometime.

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously. You decided to help a nice guy - this is far more EV than letting him grind away and lose at low limits. A long time ago, a friend called me and told me about online poker. He noticed I was a terrible player, and sent me the starting hand chart from Lee Jones WLLHE. He eventually quit poker, and now I've invested a significant amount of money in a company he is starting.

A year after he did this for me, I sweated my friend Mike and 2p2er mikeyKay for a while at low limits. He grinded his way up, had some bad swings, and eventually won a 750k guaranteed on Party for 150k. I'd never have played if it weren't for my friend, and Mike probably wouldn't have succeeded without me. All three of our lives are significantly better because of it.

Player pools are so huge that not helping a nice fish 'because it will hurt the games' is a childish joke. I firmly believe I have significantly helped dozens of players, and those players have probably helped dozens more. The number on the bottom of my pokertracker continues to grow faster and faster - why shouldnt I help people again?
-James

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While I'm pretty sure this post wasn't really a reponse to my "why?" I will point out that I wasn't suggesting Bob did anything wrong. I was mostly just curious why he decided to give this guy a book as opposed to the other countless idiots he plays with.

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I've coached a lot of people and ended up playing against some of them. I don't hate myself.

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously. You decided to help a nice guy - this is far more EV than letting him grind away and lose at low limits. A long time ago, a friend called me and told me about online poker. He noticed I was a terrible player, and sent me the starting hand chart from Lee Jones WLLHE. He eventually quit poker, and now I've invested a significant amount of money in a company he is starting.

A year after he did this for me, I sweated my friend Mike and 2p2er mikeyKay for a while at low limits. He grinded his way up, had some bad swings, and eventually won a 750k guaranteed on Party for 150k. I'd never have played if it weren't for my friend, and Mike probably wouldn't have succeeded without me. All three of our lives are significantly better because of it.

Player pools are so huge that not helping a nice fish 'because it will hurt the games' is a childish joke. I firmly believe I have significantly helped dozens of players, and those players have probably helped dozens more. The number on the bottom of my pokertracker continues to grow faster and faster - why shouldnt I help people again?
-James

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While I'm pretty sure this post wasn't really a reponse to my "why?" I will point out that I wasn't suggesting Bob did anything wrong. I was mostly just curious why he decided to give this guy a book as opposed to the other countless idiots he plays with.

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the guy in question is just a really nice, friendly guy who i have struck up a friendship with. we don't get together outside of the card-room or anything like that. he just is a good guy. as far as the other idiots, most of them i would like to cut into little pieces.

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i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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FWIW, I wasnt going for any anology. Ive just been randomly asking people that question recently.


Also... you never confirmed in that other thread: marathon in November??

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i am not sure about the marathon in november. i am running now and getting fitter, but i have a long way to go. i'll keep you posted. as far as snakes, i hate [censored] snakes.

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously. You decided to help a nice guy - this is far more EV than letting him grind away and lose at low limits. A long time ago, a friend called me and told me about online poker. He noticed I was a terrible player, and sent me the starting hand chart from Lee Jones WLLHE. He eventually quit poker, and now I've invested a significant amount of money in a company he is starting.

A year after he did this for me, I sweated my friend Mike and 2p2er mikeyKay for a while at low limits. He grinded his way up, had some bad swings, and eventually won a 750k guaranteed on Party for 150k. I'd never have played if it weren't for my friend, and Mike probably wouldn't have succeeded without me. All three of our lives are significantly better because of it.

Player pools are so huge that not helping a nice fish 'because it will hurt the games' is a childish joke. I firmly believe I have significantly helped dozens of players, and those players have probably helped dozens more. The number on the bottom of my pokertracker continues to grow faster and faster - why shouldnt I help people again?
-James

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While I'm pretty sure this post wasn't really a reponse to my "why?" I will point out that I wasn't suggesting Bob did anything wrong. I was mostly just curious why he decided to give this guy a book as opposed to the other countless idiots he plays with.

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the guy in question is just a really nice, friendly guy who i have struck up a friendship with. we don't get together outside of the card-room or anything like that. he just is a good guy. as far as the other idiots, most of them i would like to cut into little pieces.

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Are you going to ask him out to dinner and leave the date open ended?

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Classy move. I don't think it's such a big deal because it will keep you honest about your game- you can't think he's going to all of the sudden start taking your money at the tables just because he read a book he probably would have come across eventually anyway. Also, you're probably saving him a lot of money. There are plenty of other fish.

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If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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Something that shouldn't be on an airplane.

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PokerBob,

If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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Ok we'll put you over here.

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PokerBob,

If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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Ok we'll put you over here.

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This is absolutely genius, and I fear no one will understand why

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PokerBob,

If a big snake gives birth to a little snake, what will that little snake grow up to become?

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i dont get it. explain please.


i think your analogy doesn't work here. if i give a smoker info about how smoking kills you, does this mean he won't smoke?

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Ok we'll put you over here.

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This is absolutely genius, and I fear no one will understand why

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You did a good thing. Be proud of yourself.

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I think its quite comical so many 2+2ers want to keep this site and the books seceret! Let it go!

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It's good for the karma. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It's bad for the game. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I have no qualms helping good people, regardless of if it's -EV. My sense of self worth is worth more than the game of poker.

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Don't get me wrong... I've helped out a few players because they were friends or good people. I'm just simply stating that is indeed bad for the game.

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It's good for the karma. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
It's bad for the game. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I have no qualms helping good people, regardless of if it's -EV. My sense of self worth is worth more than the game of poker.

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Don't get me wrong... I've helped out a few players because they were friends or good people. I'm just simply stating that is indeed bad for the game.

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i'm sure it is. that said, i'm sure it will be relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of "game-badness".

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] good luck with live 4/8!!

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Who's saying he'll actually apply the concepts correctly? Chances are he'll be one of those people carrying money from the bottom of the pyramid upwards taking a few shots at higher games and eventually setteling at some mid-stakes game.

etc blahblahblah etc

bottom line, helping out a nice guy is fine

weren't that how most of you started out?

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Bob, nice job. People take this [censored] way too seriously. You decided to help a nice guy - this is far more EV than letting him grind away and lose at low limits. A long time ago, a friend called me and told me about online poker. He noticed I was a terrible player, and sent me the starting hand chart from Lee Jones WLLHE. He eventually quit poker, and now I've invested a significant amount of money in a company he is starting.

A year after he did this for me, I sweated my friend Mike and 2p2er mikeyKay for a while at low limits. He grinded his way up, had some bad swings, and eventually won a 750k guaranteed on Party for 150k. I'd never have played if it weren't for my friend, and Mike probably wouldn't have succeeded without me. All three of our lives are significantly better because of it.

Player pools are so huge that not helping a nice fish 'because it will hurt the games' is a childish joke. I firmly believe I have significantly helped dozens of players, and those players have probably helped dozens more. The number on the bottom of my pokertracker continues to grow faster and faster - why shouldnt I help people again?
-James

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While I'm pretty sure this post wasn't really a reponse to my "why?" I will point out that I wasn't suggesting Bob did anything wrong. I was mostly just curious why he decided to give this guy a book as opposed to the other countless idiots he plays with.

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the guy in question is just a really nice, friendly guy who i have struck up a friendship with. we don't get together outside of the card-room or anything like that. he just is a good guy. as far as the other idiots, most of them i would like to cut into little pieces.

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Are you going to ask him out to dinner and leave the date open ended?

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in vegas i am going to have more things in your ass than most people have in their garages.

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Good for you.

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meh. The majority of the people who read poker books are unable to effectively implement what they read in those books.

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It's possible I just got lucky in happening to find this place as quickly as I did.

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i found this place before I had even played for real..... it wasn't hard. Just googled and it came up.

I'm still amazed that the majority of people think they can win a game without first taking some time to understand it.

Anyone who doesn't help a friend or nice acquantaince becasue of some theoritical future EV they may be giving up is a pretty mean-spirited person.

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nah you're a good guy and you should feel good about it

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This is good for you. If he decides to get better at poker you will be able to profit from his improvement.

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This is good for you. If he decides to get better at poker you will be able to profit from his improvement.

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i'm not sure how i will profit, unless you mean that he will play in the bigger games again where i still have an edge over him. whatever. i hope he improves and learns to play well. he is a good guy.