Questionable river fold
 

CO and button are solid TAGs, UTG is a loose passive.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Button calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button folds, UTG calls.

River: (20.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero folds.

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Re: Questionable river fold
 

Pretty bad.

Re: Questionable river fold
 

This is pretty bad. Your not overcalling and you only have to call one more bet with no one behind you. Your hand seems hopeless but you only have to be good here less than 5% of the time. Looks like CO likely has 44.

Re: Questionable river fold
 

At first I thought he was donking into you, in which case I thought it was a bad fold, but not a stupid one. You really need to call when you check to him.

Re: Questionable river fold
 

obviously u are usually beat, but cant villain have a lower flush (i.e. 86, 56) at least once in 21 times?

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I am the only one who folds this PF from MP?

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I would never fold here, but whatever. I honestly don't think what you do in this situation is going to impact your winrate in the long run very much...I think it's pretty close either way

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Stopped reading when I saw the preflop action. What are u doing?

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Stopped reading when I saw the preflop action. What are u doing?

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Preflops ok as long as the table is very loose/passive.

Re: Questionable river fold
 

preflop is horrible, this is a very weak hand you need the button it doesnt matter how loose passive the table might be. If it was T9s or 98s fair enough but not weak one gappers.

who knows what you are thinking on the river, save the world class folds for world class players. He may have something like AA or AK KQ even.

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obviously u are usually beat, but cant villain have a lower flush (i.e. 86, 56) at least once in 21 times?

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I estimate a lower flush + the idiot factor = a 1.5BB mistake. Usually I will see 44 or a higher flush, sometimes KJ as some TAGs will limp with this after two limpers.

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preflop is horrible, this is a very weak hand you need the button it doesnt matter how loose passive the table might be. If it was T9s or 98s fair enough but not weak one gappers.

who knows what you are thinking on the river, save the world class folds for world class players. He may have something like AA or AK KQ even.

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He limped preflop so those are not a possibility. My own preflop limp is definitely questionable with two aggressive TAGs to act behind me. UTG was a nice passive fish though so I don't think it is big mistake.

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Not all TAGs play the same, some do some pretty weird [censored].

Doesnt matter how bad UTG is your hand is cheese, you are seriously overvaluing it if you think limping here isnt much of a mistake.

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I am the only one who folds this PF from MP?

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I would fold this preflop unless I was in a game with horrible players who were generally passive, but I didnt want to be a preflop nit