How bad can you be with AA in an MTT?
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP (t1495)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t3665)</font>
Button (t4070)
SB (t2155)
BB (t3770)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t3450)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t150, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t375) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3300</font>, CO calls t2300.

Turn: (t6975) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t6975) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t6975

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac As (full house, aces full of sevens).
CO has 7d 7c (four of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: CO wins t6975. </font>

Just fold this on the flop raise, you arent in as good of shape as you think some of the time.

Board: Ah 7h 7s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 04.4444 % 04.44% 00.00% { AcAs }
Hand 2: 95.5556 % 95.56% 00.00% { 7c7d }

~Justin

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ooooooooooooooook

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ughhhhhhhh!

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Another donkey overplaying aces. I expect better of you Justin.

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OMG BBV OMG OMG OMG

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Raise more preflop! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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OMG BBV OMG OMG OMG

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No one gets this. I am referring to another post made earlier this week, this was a joke, one I found pretty funny.
~Justin

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Fold PF.

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I don't get what your referring to, but I was joking too.

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I could not believe this was a real hand. NOBODY online ever fast-plays quads like this.

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Boo to people with no memory outside of like 1 day ago. It involves justifying weak tight play with extremely rare situations.
~Justin

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i'll give you a hint...

the original poster has a name that incorporates both an action in poker and a square on a monopoly board. he enjoys long walks on the beach and letting his stack dwindle into the "red zone" because of the many strategic advantages associated w/ less chips

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i'll give you a hint...

the original poster has a name that incorporates both an action in poker and a square on a monopoly board. he enjoys long walks on the beach and letting his stack dwindle into the "red zone" because of the many strategic advantages associated w/ less chips

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DMk hits one out of the park (something his fantasy team isnt doing)
~Justin

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fku, short term variance. i actually liked my team going into the season...i need my pitchers to stop playing like ass...

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wow that went right over my head... I now appreciate this post 10x. hahah. OMG U DIDNT PUT THE POKERSTOVE #'s IN!?

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hahaha, NH

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lolz

Well you had 1 out twice, so your hand + your draw made this play +ev overall.

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hahaha, NH

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cooler... 30 days...

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My selective memory recalls no such thread. As such, I forbid anyone else from finding this funny.

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CO needs to fold PF, since he's clearly against AA and not in as good a shape as he thinks he is.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=41723
pokenum -h ac as - 7c 7d
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1375194 80.31 331347 19.35 5763 0.34 0.805
7c 7d 331347 19.35 1375194 80.31 5763 0.34 0.195

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not to mention those times you're up against 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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CO needs to fold PF, since he's clearly against AA and not in as good a shape as he thinks he is.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=41723
pokenum -h ac as - 7c 7d
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1375194 80.31 331347 19.35 5763 0.34 0.805
7c 7d 331347 19.35 1375194 80.31 5763 0.34 0.195

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I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but is it possible that Villain has the RNG cracked?

1 games 0.030 secs 33 games/sec

Board: Ah 7s 7h 8h 4h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 100.0000 % 100.00% 00.00% { 7c7d }
Hand 2: 00.0000 % 00.00% 00.00% { AcAs }

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Sorry, the real question is, how bad can you be with quad 7s in a MTT?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1662340
pokenum -h 6h 5h - 7d 7c -- 7s 7h ah 4h 8h
Holdem Hi: 1 enumerated board containing 7s Ah 8h 7h 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6h 5h 1 100.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 1.000
7c 7d 0 0.00 1 100.00 0 0.00 0.000

OMG! FOLD QUADS!

(oh [censored], beaten)

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Complete donkey play.

Put the villain on a hand. He called a pre-flop raise. Clearly a pocket pair or strong ace. But since you have two aces, and there's one on the board, it's gotta be the pair.

So you bet the ace high flop and he raises you! He's saying, "I can beat your pair of aces!" What hand does this except 77? He might as well flip up his cards on the spot. Not folding to the flop raise is criminal.

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Complete donkey play.

Put the villain on a hand. He called a pre-flop raise. Clearly a pocket pair or strong ace. But since you have two aces, and there's one on the board, it's gotta be the pair.

So you bet the ace high flop and he raises you! He's saying, "I can beat your pair of aces!" What hand does this except 77? He might as well flip up his cards on the spot. Not folding to the flop raise is criminal.

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Even if he tables the 77 before I call, I STILL CALL. The case Ace can come, and even if I lose, I'm the red zone, which is really the goal anyway.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP (t1495)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t3665)</font>
Button (t4070)
SB (t2155)
BB (t3770)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t3450)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t150, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t375) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3300</font>, CO calls t2300.

Turn: (t6975) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t6975) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t6975

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac As (full house, aces full of sevens).
CO has 7d 7c (four of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: CO wins t6975. </font>

Just fold this on the flop raise, you arent in as good of shape as you think some of the time.

Board: Ah 7h 7s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 04.4444 % 04.44% 00.00% { AcAs }
Hand 2: 95.5556 % 95.56% 00.00% { 7c7d }

~Justin

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Justin,

This is my favorite thread of April, if not this year. Absolutely awesome.

Brad

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Even if he tables the 77 before I call, I STILL CALL. The case Ace can come, and even if I lose, I'm the red zone, which is really the goal anyway.

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rofl

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Even if he tables the 77 before I call, I STILL CALL. The case Ace can come, and even if I lose, I'm the red zone, which is really the goal anyway.

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God, he has us covered fish. If anything you should raise to like 2500 or so to get info, when he repops we'll have about 800 or so left and be in perfect pouncing position. He repops we fold and got a whole lot more +EV spots coming up now. I think that is clearly the best line here.
~Justin

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If this wasn't posted by the moderator, it would be moved to the BBV forum.

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It isnt even a real hand. It was posted to make a point. Any hand can be in real bad shape in the perfect scenario.
~Justin

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booo hoooo...you lost with aces. get over it. you know damn well that flop wins for you 99% of the time. stop crying, put this in a bad beat forum

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It isnt even a real hand. It was posted to make a point. Any hand can be in real bad shape in the perfect scenario.
~Justin

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So this is a flmae thread then.

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No it isnt. It is an indictment of weaktight thinking based on unrealistic matchups. Which was generally the thrust of your post with the OESD + FD. You generally seem to play as if your opponent has the best possible hand he could have. If anything your thread should have been moved to BBV. This is simply a post that, in a tongue IN check (Tyler Durden that is for you) way says that any hand CAN be vulnerable and thinking like that can be a huge detriment.
~Justin

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booo hoooo...you lost with aces. get over it. you know damn well that flop wins for you 99% of the time. stop crying, put this in a bad beat forum

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95.6%, actually [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Good job reading this thread though.

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booo hoooo...you lost with aces. get over it. you know damn well that flop wins for you 99% of the time. stop crying, put this in a bad beat forum

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rofl

You're not very quick, are you?

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No it isnt. It is an indictment of weaktight thinking based on unrealistic matchups. Which was generally the thrust of your post with the OESD + FD. You generally seem to play as if your opponent has the best possible hand he could have. If anything your thread should have been moved to BBV. This is simply a post that, in a tongue IN check (Tyler Durden that is for you) way says that any hand CAN be vulnerable and thinking like that can be a huge detriment.
~Justin

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Then it is a flame thread.

How do you know that I play as if my opponent has the best possible hand he could have? Have you seen me play that way?

I don't think my play is weak/tight. I think I play classic TAG, but I can switch to LAG or very tight, depending on the situation.

I certainly don't play rebuys the way you do, before or after the rebuy period. However, I don't see why playing very tight when people are playing like maniacs is playing weak/tight.

I think I posted in my thread on my Masters ME that a lot of my success was due to playing aggressively and exploiting weak/tight play.

I said I appologized for that thread. However, since you bring it up, I was making a point, which I didn't explain very well.

An open ended plus flush draw or open ended straight flush draw is a great hand to semibluff with, particularly with shallow money. However, if you get action with it, it is not likely to be more than slightly ahead, but it can be significantly behind. It is worse against overcards plus higher flush draw, but it is in bad shape against a higher flush draw or a set.

Now when Hellmuth folded the OESFD against an overbet push, he was about even against two pair, but he could have been in bad shape against a higher flush draw, possibly plus a pair, or a set. There was little chance he was significantly ahead, as no one sane would push into the dangerous baord with one pair.

I generally play the straight flush draw strongly, but I have had a number of situations where I wound up badly dominated versus a higher flush draw, so I think that is something to consider. Obviously, I showed a bad example, since making a ridiculously big overbet push was fine for the rebuy period.

I don't see the relevance of aces full being dominated. AA and any set are usually big favorites. A straight flush draw is unlikely to be a big favorite if you get considerable action.

I have already explained this on the other thread, but since you started a new flame thread, I am explaining it here.

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I really hate this thread.

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Same problem with me on pokerstars. I think the online uses a ramdom number generator while live casinos use human dealer to shuffle. That's the difference.

Re: How bad can you be with AA in an MTT?
 

You take things way too:
a) seriously
b) personally

If anything I am flaming your play and doing so in a fairly obviously light hearted thread.
~Justin