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DJ Sensei 04-07-2006 04:24 PM

reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
CO is 26/14 and aggressive. Flop is alright, but the turn... hoo boy. Thoughts on the hand so far? given that i've only got ~200 left on the river, do I push or check? Pushing seems pretty transparent, but he might call with a set or something. But, will he bet that set/2pr/whatever if I check?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $352
CO: $427.60
Button: $376
Hero: $411.60
BB: $318.87

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, Button folds, <font color="blue">Hero raises to $36</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($76, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero bets $44</font>, CO calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($164, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $125</font>, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($414, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero ?</font>

Jamougha 04-07-2006 04:32 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
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i've only got ~200 left on the river

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So cr the turn all in. Why are you leaving yourself with only 1/2 pot bet behind?

Blizzardbaum 04-07-2006 04:40 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
[ QUOTE ]
CO is 26/14 and aggressive. Flop is alright, but the turn... hoo boy. Thoughts on the hand so far? given that i've only got ~200 left on the river, do I push or check? Pushing seems pretty transparent, but he might call with a set or something. But, will he bet that set/2pr/whatever if I check?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $352
CO: $427.60
Button: $376
Hero: $411.60
BB: $318.87

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, Button folds, <font color="blue">Hero raises to $36</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($76, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero bets $44</font>, CO calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($164, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $125</font>, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($414, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero ?</font>

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If he's agressive, though, you might be able to induce a bluff with a check, but given the number of hands you could be holding that include an A it would be pretty stupid.

My guess is that he has AQd.

DJ Sensei 04-07-2006 04:40 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
He doesnt have AQd.

lamchau 04-07-2006 05:18 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
probably KQ or KJ or QJ, i dont think he's got the ace, bet 100 or just push it here

WebGuySteve 04-07-2006 05:23 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
I think I was villain in this hand. I won't give away the results of this hand yet.

Edit: I looked up the specifics, I was indeed villain here.

Dumle 04-07-2006 05:25 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
Either way, I don't think you will get any more money from him. However, pushing may yield a better result, since he might talk himself into calling with KQ or a set.

Dumle

Lucky 04-07-2006 05:35 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
Value bet 100, looks like he has KxQd type hand and will find a call. He doesnt bet this, and may fold for 200.

technologic 04-07-2006 05:45 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
[ QUOTE ]
CO is 26/14 and aggressive. Flop is alright, but the turn... hoo boy. Thoughts on the hand so far? given that i've only got ~200 left on the river, do I push or check? Pushing seems pretty transparent, but he might call with a set or something. But, will he bet that set/2pr/whatever if I check?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $352
CO: $427.60
Button: $376
Hero: $411.60
BB: $318.87

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, Button folds, <font color="blue">Hero raises to $36</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($76, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero bets $44</font>, CO calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($164, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $125</font>, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($414, 2 players)
<font color="blue">Hero ?</font>

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no point in betting imo, might as well try a quick "weakness" check

lamchau 04-07-2006 05:48 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
A quick weakness check isnt really going to induce any bluff. If he's got the A or flush, he'll fire, if not, he'll check.

technologic 04-07-2006 05:49 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
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A quick weakness check isnt really going to induce any bluff. If he's got the A or flush, he'll fire, if not, he'll check.

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um, so we can expect a call from two pair/ set? HIGHLY unlikely. i'd say going for a snapped off bluff is much more profitable.

Big_Jim 04-07-2006 05:51 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
Pot flop, push turn.

If he has AK or QQ (particularly with [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] it's gonna be real tough for him to know what to do.

As played, bet river, he checks behind too often with two pair/sets.

Lucky 04-07-2006 05:59 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
Couple more things:

1. Raise more pf, just like you would trying to take it down with AQ.

2. I like turn check. This is tough spot. With no diamond I bet and am done with it if i get raised. With a diamond, I like a check, as I dont want to get raised out.

3. The big question, i think is whether to c/r all in on turn???

I think i like a c/r here because: you're very possibly ahead, and will get paid for flush by KxQd. He may fold better hand like JT. On the other hand he may call with AK.
Also, it makes for no tough river spots, i.e. you c/c turn and blank river. He value bets 100. You call and are beaten. Or its checked thru and you were ahead.

Lucky 04-07-2006 06:03 PM

Re: reraised Aces on nasty board (NL400-6max)
 
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A quick weakness check isnt really going to induce any bluff. If he's got the A or flush, he'll fire, if not, he'll check.

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um, so we can expect a call from two pair/ set? HIGHLY unlikely. i'd say going for a snapped off bluff is much more profitable.

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He's not going to bet this board when heros betting pattern screams Ace. He's more likely to call 100 with top two getting 4 to 1, even though he knows he shouldnt.


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