Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

For the record, I do like to raise ATo when appropriate. The question is was this appropriate? Obviously I think so or I wouldn't have.

SB is 50/9/1.4 after 133 hands and likes to get out of line every so often. MP1 is 55/1.8/.8 after 108 hands, predictable and typical for these stats. MP2 is new to me, no read.

All comments, bashes, slander, degrading remarks, rants, whines, etc. are welcome.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Raising this may have been a little out of line with 2 posters behind me, but I was feeling frisky.

Flop: (11 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, MP1 calls.

SB could be betting a pair, flush draw, who knows, he's a little unpredictable. MP1 will bet top pair and stronger, but I am willing to get locked up with him.

Turn: (10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, MP1 calls.

MP1 likes the turn, but so do I. I was really trying to hoping to remove SB and see the river for free.

River: (16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="green"> SB... </font>

A check, a fold!! Ok. I suck at value betting, but I am all over this one. Can you predict SB's action?

Tear me up, I think it may be necessary in here somewhere.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

This hand is fine. Not raising pre-flop with all that dead money in the pot would've made baby Jesus cry.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

Nah this hand is fine dude. The fact that there are two posters behind you makes me more likely to raise, not less.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

PFR ees g00t! Kittens luuuuuuve dead money and buying Buttons. Same w/ flop 3-bet. Top-two on the turn, raise-him-up.

The open-fold on the river just kills me. If you're not sending MP1 Xmas cards round-the-clock, you need to start. I love the value-bet, and I definitely make the crying call when SB raises, based on your read.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

preflop goot. I play it the same.
flop I like.
turn goot.
river...hmm, flush draw and a str8 draw just came in...SB's called down since his initial flop bet....it may be weak tight, but I check. I can't see a worse hand calling here and a better hand is gonna raise.

Edit: after reading boz, meh, I'm weak tight.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

if SB comes out raising, just call the raise. He might have gone crazy over a straight/flush draw. Looks like he bet the flop on the flush draw, checked/called the turn and bet when the draw hit?

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

Pre flop flop and turn all fine. I really don't mind the river bet either. If SB c/r here I make a crying call here. With the reads provided he could easily c/r a scary river hoping to get you off a better hand. I expect to be good here more often then not. On a side not I laughed see MP fold the river after being checked to.

On second thought I may check it through. What is SB hand range to CC 2 BB on the turn. It screams draw to me.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

Hand is played perfectly.

Against an unkown checking the river is good. Against SB as you described him betting is good. I think he folded or called holding some utter trash, since his line doesn't make any sense except a weird flush draw.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

everything looks perfect to me. Especially the pfr, w/ 2 posters, and a chance at buying the button, this should be an auto raise.

I bet you got raised by sb w/ a small crub frush. I still like the value bet vs this guy. Now if he was an unknown, I think it would be a lot closer.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

I think I might peel the flop and wait for a safer turn.

Other than that, looks good.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

This would have been a decent playalong hand; PF flop and river are all instructive.

NH by the way.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

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This would have been a decent playalong hand; PF flop and river are all instructive.

NH by the way.

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Indeed on all counts.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

I like the raise. Two random hands, only a button and 2 more random hands behind? ATo looks pretty good!

I would flat-call the flop raise, planning on raising the turn if I like it (club, A, another T), and folding to a bet if it's something I hate (like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something).

<font color="purple">My thinking: I have no idea why he's raising here. Made the straight, flopped a set? Thinks I'm trying to steal his post? Raising a draw? I like my hand enough to stay in, take the chance he's got something like KT or a draw. Fat pot, too. Besides, I've taken to flat-calling stuff like that on a draw-heavy board, plannin on popping the turn. Making opponent's mistakes bigger by keeping the pot smaller on the flop, yada yada. </font>

Turn: Yeah, I like it.

River: Call me a sucker. I bet, fold to a raise. <font color="purple"> Here's what I'm thinking: Seems a flush draw is likely, given that he called a lot of raising. Still, two pair might be in there too, maybe even something like KT or A6, even AK. I am not a value-betting pro. By any means. Still, I do it here. If a lesser hand will call me, and I can safely fold to a c/r, then it looks +EV to me.</font>

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

I like this whole hand, and would play it the same.

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Raising this may have been a little out of line with 2 posters behind me, but I was feeling frisky.

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I think the 2 posters strengthen the case for a pfr. You are getting better odds against 2 random hands that aren't good enough to open-raise themselves. I like it.

Flop and turn are standard raises for value.

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I suck at value betting, but I was all over this one.

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Admittedly, in the past week, I've missed more river value bets than there were weak-tight micro posts, but I'm with you on this one. If SB raises, then his line looks a lot like a made flush, but you have to call in this big pot. Hopefully, he's "unpredictable" 1 in 19 times. Otherwise, ship it. NH.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

Wow. I totally missed how big that pot is 'til I read through that last post. *blinks* I have to rethink my river play.

Seeing as I'd have to call a c/r, hardly ever see people c/r on the river as a bluff...

How often does he have to call with a lesser hand to make up for the times I pay two bets? He's called this far; given that the pot is ginormous, I expect he'll call a river bet with anything. Should cover the times I have to pay off two. *nods* I have to say if the pot weren't so big I'd fold to a c/r on the river there.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

I play it the same. I'm not sure how you expect us to predict SB here since he's a loose player. You could have slowed down 2-pair or top pair. He could have a flush and a pair, or a straight and a pair, or a busted straight and a pair, etc...

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

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Wow. I totally missed how big that pot is 'til I read through that last post. *blinks* I have to rethink my river play.

Seeing as I'd have to call a c/r, hardly ever see people c/r on the river as a bluff...

How often does he have to call with a lesser hand to make up for the times I pay two bets? He's called this far; given that the pot is ginormous, I expect he'll call a river bet with anything. Should cover the times I have to pay off two. *nods* I have to say if the pot weren't so big I'd fold to a c/r on the river there.

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imho, one of the biggest reasons we'd need to call a river checkraise from this player is not because he could be bluffing but because he could have made a worse 2 pair on the river.

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imho, one of the biggest reasons we'd need to call a river checkraise from this player is not because he could be bluffing but because he could have made a worse 2 pair on the river.

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Agreed - hero would really like to see a worse 2 pair on the river. But, I struggled thinking of a worse 2 pair hand which villain takes the line that he did... so I just reasoned that as "unpredictable."

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imho, one of the biggest reasons we'd need to call a river checkraise from this player is not because he could be bluffing but because he could have made a worse 2 pair on the river.

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Agreed - hero would really like to see a worse 2 pair on the river. But, I struggled thinking of a worse 2 pair hand which villain takes the line that he did... so I just reasoned that as "unpredictable."

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JT, J9

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

grunch:

I play every street the same way. I'm calling SB raise even though he made his flush. The pot is too big to fold for one bet.

Brian

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise (My analysis and Results)
 

Ok. I thought it might be a bit brash raising the flop against the rather tight post flop MP1. This is why I posted the hand, thought it was a mistake!!

On the turn, I kind of suspected MP1 doesn't have a flush since he bet into me and he is very tight. He's not going to try to pump a flush draw here. It sure looks like two pair, but not as good as my two pair. I suspected SB might be on the crub flush draw since he called the raise.

On the river I was like huh?, when SB doesn't beat the club. MP1 folded and I couldn't hit the bet button fast enough. I was ready to fold if check-raised, which would have been bad BTW.

SB FOLDS AND I SCOOP UP A HUGE POT UNCONTENDED ON THE RIVER!!! WOOOOTTT!!!

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise
 

I think the preflop raise is exactly right, especially with the two posters, either of whom could fold preflop.

I like the flop and turn.

The J on the river completes both a flush and a straight. You've been the aggressor on every street. This makes you a perfect target for a check-raise. How often will SB call you without trips, a straight, or a flush here? I don't think nearly often enough. Check it behind.

Re: Oh boy!!, ATo raise (My analysis and Results)
 

Martini, you are a moron. What do you mean by tight on the turn? Be more clear.

<font color="red"> Oh, I meant he is not very aggressive post flop without a good hand. </font>

Secondly learn how to spell bet, not beat, when talking abou the SB.

<font color="red"> Sorry, I will be a better poster and proof before submitting. </font>