$11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

SB had been involved in tons of hands, pushing TPTK L1, calling pushes, and had just suffered a nasty beat with a flopped flush that he slowplayed getting sucked out on by a guy with 72o who made his boat. I would think he's probably on tilt, from his angry chat. Even so, he's pushing over a raise and a reraise, call?

PartyPoker $11 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t60 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3980)
UTG+1 (t1780)
MP1 (t3140)
Hero (t1860)
MP3 (t1730)
CO (t2060)
Button (t1770)
SB (t1740)
BB (t1940)

Preflop: Hero is in MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to t120</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t1740 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, Hero ?

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

Sorry to bump my own thread, but from the lack of response, am I an idiot and this is a clear fold? Thanks.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

I wouldn't be re-raising with jacks in this spot.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

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I wouldn't be re-raising with jacks in this spot.

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Perhaps good advice, but you still didn't answer him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Just because you wouldn't get in this situation..he IS in it. Cmon now tig, take it easy on us [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I would probably fold this in the spot you're in. Not much for odds, and you probably do NOT have him dominated (TT-) so I think you lay down. Eh, eh?

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

If he's that much of a crazy nutter, I'd probably call. But I'd have needed to see him shove all-in a few times or at least made ridiculous raises on flops with almost nothing to feel happy about it.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

Would you flat call the minraise from MP1 to play for set value? I may be getting a little too excited when I see these PPs, but at the 11s I don't usually give the minraisers too much credit.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

I wouldn't have reraised with JJ either, but honestly, from your description of him and the situation and the fact that this is an $11, I would call. I think the chances are significantly increased that you're way ahead.

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Would you flat call the minraise from MP1 to play for set value? I may be getting a little too excited when I see these PPs, but at the 11s I don't usually give the minraisers too much credit.

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I would flat call, but who said about playing for set value? The reason for not re-raising is your position, and what position you're likely to be in post flop as and when anyone calls after you. You have to always consider future streets, not just the one you are on currently.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

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Would you flat call the minraise from MP1 to play for set value? I may be getting a little too excited when I see these PPs, but at the 11s I don't usually give the minraisers too much credit.

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I would flat call, but who said about playing for set value? The reason for not re-raising is your position, and what position you're likely to be in post flop as and when anyone calls after you. You have to always consider future streets, not just the one you are on currently.

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My thinking with the reraise was that I would be eliminating any weak aces that might have called the minraise, or I could win the pot right there. This is a pretty standard play for me, which is probably a standard chip spew and I need to plug it up immediately and consider my position more carefully when playing these mid-hi pp's.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

Why do you want to eliminate weak aces, considering you are 70% against them?

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Why do you want to eliminate weak aces, considering you are 70% against them?

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Good point, but do I really want 3-4 more callers who really like the pot odds being laid out by from flat calling the minraise?

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

Meh, no, but do you really want 3-4 callers (which is still likely at an $11) if you re-raise and then face a flop of KT4 with half of your stack in the pot?

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

I suppose not, thanks for the input, time to go to work...
In case anyone cares, I called and SB had QQ which held up.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

It would be far better to reraise from the button, say, because if you reraise and are called (because you are still in early/mid position), your position on the flop's going to be nasty. That's why I wouldn't reraise here, not because of the strength of your hand or the fact his minraise is pathetic (which of course it is).

Bad luck in running into QQ, but I still think you made the right call.

Re: $11 -- PP Level 2, JJ : Call the push reraise from tilty LAG?
 

I'd just flat call PF and double up post flop.

It would take a pretty solid read here, but I dislike getting it all in pf in l1 with JJ.

But yah, if he is dumb enough to be doing this with like 66+ then I'd call but racing against overcards at this point isn't what you should be looking for.

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But yah, if he is dumb enough to be doing this with like 66+ then I'd call but racing against overcards at this point isn't what you should be looking for.

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Uhh, I would gladly race against overcards at this point. Easily. However, you have to factor in the fact he could have QQ, KK, and AA as well. This is why I fold. If he showed me overcards, I would call.