How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Please don't flame me for this. I originally posted this in the BBV forum, because villain's calls were so fishy I thought it ws a curiosity. This hand occurred early in the tournament. However, villain (jtenute28) won the tournament (134 runners). This was a freezout PLHE tournament. Does this guy have the random number generator cracked? Was he drunk. How does someone so bad win a tournament? This looks fishy in more ways than one.

$30 PLHE MTT
Paradise Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney(10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t950)
Hero (t2125)
UTG (t4230)
UTG+1 (t4320)
UTG+2 (t3370)
MP1 (t1785)
MP2 (t3105)
MP3 (t935)
CO (t1180)
Button (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t375</font>, UTG+1 calls t350, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t350, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: (t1400) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t3920</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t325.

Turn: (t7045) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t7045) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t7045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has 3s 5c (straight, five high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t7045. </font>

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Those bluff donkeys either go bust very early or get a pile of chips and bluff their way to the top.

His postflop could be interpeted either way, but preflop is just horrible.
Althought, the buy-in is 30$, so he may simply not care at first.

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Those bluff donkeys either go bust very early or get a pile of chips and bluff their way to the top.

His postflop could be interpeted either way, but preflop is just horrible.
Althought, the buy-in is 30$, so he may simply not care at first.

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His flop raise is not a bluff. There was 4200 in the pot and I needed to call 325.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Really, didn't notice he has you covered my much.
Then the only explanation, that he just didn't care about the 30$.
Nobody is that bad.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

It's only 1 hand. You made the assumption that he may have the RNG cracked. If that's the case, based on this one hand, then there are a bunch of idiots who have the RNG cracked. If it's more than 1 hand that led you to that possible conclusion, then post more hand examples. This guy was just a plain donkey, maybe didn't care if he went bust, time to get some sleep, drunk like you said, etc...

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Really, didn't notice he has you covered my much.
Then the only explanation, that he just didn't care about the 30$.
Nobody is that bad.

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I don't want to seem like a paranoid online poker is rigged type, but could he have the random number generation cracked?

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

I thought 'dise had the most legit card generater- audited by PWC and everything?

I lost the $3rebuy last night after 3.5hours when my QQ lost to Q6.....I guess QQ's are not all that.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

I wound up in finishing 9th in a 250K tournament on Paradise where I went to the final table in 3rd after I lost allin preflop with QQ versus T8s. In that case, the guy with T8s played reasonably.

I don't mean to chronicle bad beats. I didn't think much of this initially. I just thought it was strange that this guy won the tournament after limp calling 8xBB preflop with 53o and essentially calling allin on the flop with a gutshot and no other reasonable outs.

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I just thought it was strange that this guy won the tournament after limp calling 8xBB preflop with 53o and essentially calling allin on the flop with a gutshot and no other reasonable outs.

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I've seen so much of this behavior I can't say I'm shocked...in a $80+8 satelite on ladbrokes.com, a guy called two all-ins (after some initial raises and reraises) w 8Ts. First Hand, no rebuys. Incredibly, my KK held up [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

Pretty much the only way you can't win a tournament is by folding every hand. It looks to me like he probably didnt realize how many chips you had behind and tried to semi-bluff his draw. Not a good play, but fairly common. I wouldnt even rule out that this guy could be a winning long term player based on this hand alone.

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Really, didn't notice he has you covered my much.
Then the only explanation, that he just didn't care about the 30$.
Nobody is that bad.

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I don't want to seem like a paranoid online poker is rigged type, but could he have the random number generation cracked?

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betgo, you have over 6k posts and you're actually writing something like that?

the guy clearly sucks at poker, he saw that he had a "straight draw" and he chased it down. a terrible player still has a chance to win. maybe you were 1/50 to win and he was 1/250, but he still has a chance.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Last night, at a $20 rebuy, I pumped chip leader all in preflop with AA and he called with KoQo. It was early on in the tournmanet and I am still confounded as to why he would let his lead go with such small blinds. I thought he had the # generator cracked too, but then I won the hand.

There are all sorts of explanations, the simplest being that this guy is a fucko. Also, there are some card sites that are EASILY more identifiable as "rigged" than others. I'm not sure where "Paradise Poker" stands here.

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Last night, at a $20 rebuy, I pumped chip leader all in preflop with AA and he called with KoQo. It was early on in the tournmanet and I am still confounded as to why he would let his lead go with such small blinds. I thought he had the # generator cracked too, but then I won the hand.

There are all sorts of explanations, the simplest being that this guy is a fucko. Also, there are some card sites that are EASILY more identifiable as "rigged" than others. I'm not sure where "Paradise Poker" stands here.

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I play mostly on Stars and Paradise and some on Party and UB. I have never seen anything I thought was fishy on any of these. I am sure Stars in OK.

I know there is some problem with collusion and such at higher limits ans ome sites are more aggressive about dealing with it than others.

When I first started playing, I tried playing limit holdem cash games on Pacific. They had like 70% seeing the flop. I played very tight and consistantly got hands like 52o. I lost my buyin and stayed clear. Probably just paranoid.

I knew I would get flamed for posting crap. I just thought it was strange the guy won the tournament. I guess a loose fish who gambles has a chance to get lucky.

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Does this guy have the random number generator cracked?

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Handled like a true MTT all-star.

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Does this guy have the random number generator cracked?

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Handled like a true MTT all-star.

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Sorry you didn't get an invite.

Yeh, I know. I get so many bad beats a day. You have to roll with the punches.

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Sorry you didn't get an invite.

Yeh, I know. I get so many bad beats a day. You have to roll with the punches.

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Yup, you're onto me; it's really that green-eyed monster envy that's typing for me at the moment. Congratulations, I hope you win the ME seat, so we can all hear your whimsical, exciting tales about how some donkey hit a 4-outer on you for $10k.

Edit: Oh, and then we'll be treated to 30 posts on your exciting new theories of how scramble-riffle-riffle-box-riffle-cut is OMG RIGGED!

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

why was turn and river play concealed? you give free cards?

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

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why was turn and river play concealed? you give free cards?

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I was allin on the flop.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Not saying I haven't done it, but you basically committed your entire stack with QQ on an A-high flop at a buy-in where one of your biggest edges comes from your opponents' inability to fold TP coupled with their propensity to call preflop raises with any A. The fact that your nemesis in this case was an even bigger idiot than the type that you should have feared in this hand looks sort of like results-oriented anger. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Not saying I haven't done it, but you basically committed your entire stack with QQ on an A-high flop at a buy-in where one of your biggest edges comes from your opponents' inability to fold TP coupled with their propensity to call preflop raises with any A. The fact that your nemesis in this case was an even bigger idiot than the type that you should have feared in this hand looks sort of like results-oriented anger. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I felt I was pot committed on the flop. There was a good chance no one had an ace and I had about a 13% win rate if someone did. Check folding at this point would be weak/tight. Raising pot OOP with QQ against all the limpers was also the only play.

Villain was also getting pot odds, so his push may not be quite that atrotious. He was 19% on the flop against my hand and better if his backdoor flush draw was good or if I didn't have a pp or pair on the board (which is pretty unlikely as the preflop raiser on an ace high board).

I am going to have to be careful about starting threads like this and be real nice to the mods. I want an invitation to next year's allstar freeroll. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1644919
pokenum -h qs qc - 3s 5c -- as 9s 4h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing As 9s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Qc 798 80.61 192 19.39 0 0.00 0.806
3s 5c 192 19.39 798 80.61 0 0.00 0.194

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1644920
pokenum -h ad jh - 3s 5c -- as 9s 4h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing As 9s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Jh 754 76.16 236 23.84 0 0.00 0.762
3s 5c 236 23.84 754 76.16 0 0.00 0.238

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1644921
pokenum -h kd qh - 3s 5c -- as 9s 4h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing As 9s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Qh 577 58.28 404 40.81 9 0.91 0.587
3s 5c 404 40.81 577 58.28 9 0.91 0.413

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1644922
pokenum -h qs qc - ad jh -- as 9s 4h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing As 9s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Qc 132 13.33 858 86.67 0 0.00 0.133
Ad Jh 858 86.67 132 13.33 0 0.00 0.867

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

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I knew I would get flamed for posting crap. I just thought it was strange the guy won the tournament. I guess a loose fish who gambles has a chance to get lucky.

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Actually, as of posting this, you had, to my amazement, not been flamed at all. You've since been mocked by exactly one person who started with a pretty tame one-liner and then responded to your insinuation that he was jealous of you with longer but still fairly tame "flame."

I'd say you've gotten off quite easily, though the day is young.

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I just thought it was strange that this guy won the tournament after limp calling 8xBB preflop with 53o and essentially calling allin on the flop with a gutshot and no other reasonable outs.

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I've seen so much of this behavior I can't say I'm shocked...in a $80+8 satelite on ladbrokes.com, a guy called two all-ins (after some initial raises and reraises) w 8Ts. First Hand, no rebuys. Incredibly, my KK held up [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yes, but the T8s guy didn't go on to win the tournament like this guy did. In fact he got knocked out.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

Check folding at this point would be weak/tight.

To quote Tommy Angelo "&lt;sometimes&gt; I'd rather be weak/tight than strong/broke." [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

I'd type out a flame if I wasn't too hungover to be bothered. Worthless post.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

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Actually, as of posting this, you had, to my amazement, not been flamed at all. You've since been mocked by exactly one person who started with a pretty tame one-liner and then responded to your insinuation that he was jealous of you with longer but still fairly tame "flame."

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The jealousy part was sarcasm, bro. My contributions to this forum take the form of 60% posting in "official" threads, 35% telling people to push preflop/on the flop/on the turn, and 5% flaming betgo. I in no way deserve to be considered an "exemplary poster."

...and besides, I already won my ME seat. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

I think most people have given up flaming betgo for lent. Remind me to bump this after Easter.

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I think most people have given up flaming betgo for lent. Remind me to bump this after Easter.

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I don't think I gave that up for lent. Here's a list of things I did give up:
1) religion
2) sobriety
3) celibacy
4) tact

Don't see "flaming betgo" on there, much to the delight of my post count.

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

I sure hope we get another request for civility thread.

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Please don't flame me for this. I originally posted this in the BBV forum, because villain's calls were so fishy I thought it ws a curiosity. This hand occurred early in the tournament. However, villain (jtenute28) won the tournament (134 runners). This was a freezout PLHE tournament. Does this guy have the random number generator cracked? Was he drunk. How does someone so bad win a tournament? This looks fishy in more ways than one.

$30 PLHE MTT
Paradise Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney(10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t950)
Hero (t2125)
UTG (t4230)
UTG+1 (t4320)
UTG+2 (t3370)
MP1 (t1785)
MP2 (t3105)
MP3 (t935)
CO (t1180)
Button (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t375</font>, UTG+1 calls t350, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t350, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: (t1400) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t3920</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t325.

Turn: (t7045) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t7045) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t7045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has 3s 5c (straight, five high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t7045. </font>

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One word:

RETARDED

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

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One word:

RETARTED

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FYP

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged)
 

No. And you're a fish. Nicely done pushing a hand that is beat 99/100.

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Please don't flame me for this. I originally posted this in the BBV forum, because villain's calls were so fishy I thought it ws a curiosity. This hand occurred early in the tournament. However, villain (jtenute28) won the tournament (134 runners). This was a freezout PLHE tournament. Does this guy have the random number generator cracked? Was he drunk. How does someone so bad win a tournament? This looks fishy in more ways than one.

$30 PLHE MTT
Paradise Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney(10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t950)
Hero (t2125)
UTG (t4230)
UTG+1 (t4320)
UTG+2 (t3370)
MP1 (t1785)
MP2 (t3105)
MP3 (t935)
CO (t1180)
Button (t2125)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of t25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, CO calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t375</font>, UTG+1 calls t350, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t350, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: (t1400) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t3920</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t325.

Turn: (t7045) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t7045) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t7045

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 has 3s 5c (straight, five high).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t7045. </font>

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One word:

RETARDED

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You're a [censored] punk!

Re: How did this guy win the tournament? (LC, bad beat, site is rigged
 

Frankly, you look like almost as much of a fish as he. If you're going to be pot-committed on the flop no matter what, why not push preflop? When you bet the pot on the flop, you leave yourself with 325 behind -- what's up with that? This is a low buy-in online tournament where aces are like flypaper and the donks can't let go of them. Flop comes Axx and you think your QQ is good most of the time?

Then you speculate about the RNG being cracked and admit you stay away from Pacific because you lost your buy-in there wondering if that's paranoid? Are you serious?

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PL HE

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PL HE

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Oh -- lol. I'm a donk. Never mind. Comments about being paranoid still apply.